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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do I have to remind you as well of this childish diversion of defining socialism. I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Founders did not intend for the government to do what it is doing. Would you like to show me where they did? Have at it. It's common knowledge, do you require proof of common knowledge as well? Is that the way we're going to debate around here now? That every word must be defined and proven?

    The definition of socialism is certainly relevant, especially since Republicans have decided to misuse the term. The Founders not only supported government intervention, they started it, by placing the government in charge of social services including the Post Office, road system and public libraries. The administration is not trying to practice Communism, just trying to fix the incredible mess left over by conservative Republicans. Why don't you try to help, instead of trying to manufacture bogie men?

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The definition of socialism is certainly relevant, especially since Republicans have decided to misuse the term. The Founders not only supported government intervention, they started it, by placing the government in charge of social services including the Post Office, road system and public libraries. The administration is not trying to practice Communism, just trying to fix the incredible mess left over by conservative Republicans. Why don't you try to help, instead of trying to manufacture bogie men?
    Speaking of manufacturing.... there's nothing BUT that in your post.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The definition of socialism is certainly relevant, especially since Republicans have decided to misuse the term. The Founders not only supported government intervention, they started it, by placing the government in charge of social services including the Post Office, road system and public libraries. The administration is not trying to practice Communism, just trying to fix the incredible mess left over by conservative Republicans. Why don't you try to help, instead of trying to manufacture bogie men?



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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do I have to remind you as well of this childish diversion of defining socialism. I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Founders did not intend for the government to do what it is doing. Would you like to show me where they did? Have at it. It's common knowledge, do you require proof of common knowledge as well? Is that the way we're going to debate around here now? That every word must be defined and proven?
    Hamilton was pretty big on the government intervening in the economy.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do I have to remind you as well of this childish diversion of defining socialism.
    Diversion? People here define Socialism as anything they don't like. That has absolutely no meaning. Zimmer has called Obama a Marxist without understanding Marxism either. An utter failure to understand key words is the path to rendering language worthless.

    I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Founders did not intend for the government to do what it is doing. Would you like to show me where they did? Have at it.
    The founders also didn't support abolition. Nor did they support interracial marriages or a whole host of things we take for granted today. Your argument is purely that of tradition.

    That every word must be defined and proven?
    If those words are being used in a way that has no meaning yes. When people are unilaterally redefining words to mean whatever they want, whenever they want for what ever reason they want, what's the use in the written word?
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Oblivous Child,

    Would have answered sooner but the place I was at wasn't civilized.

    [QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Again, calling Obama a Socialist when you cannot for your life define it doesn't produce any meaningful discussion.
    This is beautiful.
    You can't call 99% of lib libs, and they can't identify socialism.
    Their guiding light.
    Grundstein.
    Home page.

    That's the mentality we have to battle with.
    People that play coy in their effort to bring Americans socialism.


    And Obama is correct in that he was not the one who started the current federal intervention into the nation's financial market.
    Conservatives opposed TARP.

    For those of us with something other then gold fish memory, the TARP was passed under Bush, not under Obama and the first $350 billion was spent under Bush, not Obama.
    Bush was wrong.
    What more can I say?
    Conservatives don't support the government choosing winners and losers.

    YOU on the other hand love all government intervention.

    And given how the Iraq invasion planning went on, Bush did live in a bubble.
    Yes, yes... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz... you folks would be stunned to learn war isn't a game of perfect.

    Perhaps you should tell me where Clausewitz was flawed in his analysis of war.

    It did not help that we had Democrats siding with the enemy... You traitors.
    Voting to send troops to war for political expediency and then stabbing them in the back when they need our total support.

    And cut the hyperpartisanism out. Or a great many people may start to ignore you. And that includes those on the right.
    Well, well.

    First, this is nothing compared to what The Left did to Bush.
    Petreaus.
    The other generals fighting an immoral, cowardly beast.
    To the troops having to fight these sick monsters.
    Troops valiently trying to weaken the wackos grip and hopefully rid their twisted poison from the planet.
    During a war... A WAR.

    AND YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS?

    This proves what I have posted on other threads.
    You folks don't remember even recent history.

    And...
    That last bit...
    cut the hyperpartisanism out
    Now you want to control the content of people's speech.
    Wonder why? Are we ripping libs a new asshole?
    It's too easy...

    I was a socialist.
    I have lived in socialist countries. Many of them.
    I learned the Greatness of America from these travels.
    We have prospered precisely because we have had a long history of being free.
    It's what other places lack, and it is why they also lack the tremendous society America is.

    The core values espoused by the Founders was Conservatism.

    I will NEVER shy away from defending it, and I won't have some snot try to tell me I cannot make fun of my opponents.

    Your world view is perverted, dangerous, and it does the opposite of what you claim it will do.
    You and your ilk are the problem.

    And Obama is a Socialist.
    It's a joke alright... a bad one.
    And it's on America.

    So, do you speak for everyone on the site?
    Libs, Conservatives and the whole enchilada?
    I... don't... think... so.

    So put up your verbal fisticuffs and quite the whining.

    Try to defend your beliefs.
    It's a tough road to hoe, and I'm certainly not going to make it any easier for you.

    Have a great weekend.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do I have to remind you as well of this childish diversion of defining socialism. I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Founders did not intend for the government to do what it is doing. Would you like to show me where they did? Have at it. It's common knowledge, do you require proof of common knowledge as well? Is that the way we're going to debate around here now? That every word must be defined and proven?
    The quote in bold is an absurd notion.
    1) You are validating an idea that there was a common intention of the founding fathers, which is absurd based on the fact many of them vehemently argued, and some in fact barely could stand the other. Their intentions and their political philosophies barely ever overlapped.
    2) If you were to time travel a Founding Father into present day America they would probably be absolutely clueless as what to do. They'll look at the deficit, they'll look at the GPD, and they'll look at modernity's stock market and they will have a deer-in-the-headlights look. Their ideals are not compatible with modernity; we have to understand that.
    3) You forget that they sorta wanted George Washington to be king.
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I find it ironic that people would rather the U.S. slip into a depression than accept government help, all because of paranoia over "socialism" (which can't even be defined, it seems). Obama is right, it didn't start with him and it won't end with him. Are we so easily forgetting that the first bailout came from Bush? The issue is bipartisan. The reason why Republicans are upset right now is because it's not their pet projects that are being inserted into the stimulus packages.

    I would rather be taught to fish than be given one fish if I was hungry.

    Government can "help" by getting out of the way. No one with common sense wanted the bailout no matter where it came from.

    Any bill that can be passed without reading it should be set on fire.
    Last edited by akyron; 03-13-09 at 06:17 PM.
    Thank you

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Again, calling Obama a Socialist when you cannot for your life define it doesn't produce any meaningful discussion.
    A socialist is a person subsribing to the evil doctrine of "from each according to his means, to each according to how many will vote for me"....er..."...to each according to HIS needs, not the politician's".

    Obama with his socialist tax plans and his socialist spending plans and his socialized medicine plans is as close to a pure ivory tower Hahvahd socialist as you can find.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And Obama is correct in that he was not the one who started the current federal intervention into the nation's financial market.
    Corrrect. That person is FDR.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    A socialist is a person subsribing to the evil doctrine of "from each according to his means, to each according to how many will vote for me"....er..."...to each according to HIS needs, not the politician's".
    Hahah you're putting a Marxist (which in totality is an ethical agrument) quote in the same sentence as evil. You're funny.

    Obama with his socialist tax plans and his socialist spending plans and his socialized medicine plans is as close to a pure ivory tower Hahvahd socialist as you can find.
    Keynesian spending.
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