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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I find it ironic that people would rather the U.S. slip into a depression than accept government help, all because of paranoia over "socialism" (which can't even be defined, it seems).
    I find it ironic to watch people fear monger that we are headed into a depression in order to promote the criminally negligent spending we are seeing from the Democrats to promote their Socialist agenda.

    Tell me something, what part of the previous $700 billion bailout money worked to get credit markets moving again? What part of the previous $150 billion helped AIG get back on its feet again? What part of the previous $50 billion got the auto industry moving again?

    The notion that Obama's spending agenda focused on furnishing Government offices and making them green again is going to get the economy back on track while attacking the CEOs and companies who employ a vast amount of our citizens and taxing capital and those who produce is beyond absurd; it is suicidal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Obama is right, it didn't start with him and it won't end with him.
    Obama hasn't been "right" yet; unless of course you willingly suspend disbelief, reality and wallow in denial.

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    Are we so easily forgetting that the first bailout came from Bush? The issue is bipartisan.
    That makes it somehow right? That Bush, the worst President to ever walk the earth to quote a few, signed it into law?

    Fascinating irony here folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The reason why Republicans are upset right now is because it's not their pet projects that are being inserted into the stimulus packages.
    You would be wrong; the reasons Republicans are against the bill, and not upset as you want to demagogue, is because they happen to be the opposition party now and are truly concerned about a $1.7 trillion dollar deficit and the willful disregard Obama and Democrats have shown to reign in their spending spree.

    Everyone needs to ask themselves what happened to the fiscal responsibility promised by the Democrats when they campaigned in 2006?

    Here's the bottom line for you, fear mongering about a "perceived" depression is just that; fear mongering. Claiming we are headed for one does NOTHING to instill confidence in the markets, NOTHING to instill confidence in the consumer and does everything to make the situation worse.

    Partisan hackery on the part of Democrats to promote an agenda they know would not get public support if they debated the programs honestly is dangerous for the economy and our future and supporting it without an honest debate is profoundly stupid.

    Thank you Republicans for coming home and learning the lesson Americans claimed they wanted you to learn when they voted you out of power. Perhaps by 2010 when these Obama programs have been once more proved to be the same old tired Liberal politics of the past and have not created any new jobs and have instead created HUGE tax burdens for the American people, Americans will get a clue and vote them out of office.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    -- fear mongering about a "perceived" depression is just that; fear mongering. Claiming we are headed for one does NOTHING to instill confidence in the markets, NOTHING to instill confidence in the consumer and does everything to make the situation worse --
    Out of curiosity, what other word would you use to describe the situation the world has been in since the credit crunch started then?

    Boom? Bust? Growth? Recession? Depression? or other?

    I'm not trying to catch you out or trip you up - I'm genuinely curious and would like to know your answer.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Out of curiosity, what other word would you use to describe the situation the world has been in since the credit crunch started then?

    Boom? Bust? Growth? Recession? Depression? or other?

    I'm not trying to catch you out or trip you up - I'm genuinely curious and would like to know your answer.
    It is pretty obvious that we are dealing with a recession. The rest of the world was being hit by it before we started feeling the effects in the US.

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    Thanks TD, I think "recession" is what I would call it too even though I'm no economist. From the "outside the US" POV, we seem to have caught a cold after the US sniffled - meaning we followed the lead after the US economy and credit markets took a dive.

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Trolling and baiting to avoid the discussion.
    Without definitions, language based discussion has no value. And reasonable people do not tolerate unilateral redefining of words to suit one's argument.

    So is this an excuse for Obama to create his little venezuela in America?
    Trolling and baiting to avoid the discussion

    All I did was point out that Zimmer is wrong in his assertion. If you have anything relevant to the discussion rather then trying to get back at me for historical arguments, make it.

    personal attacks.
    Merely an observation. You wonder why many people ignore TD and Aquapub? It ain't hard to figure out.

    It is posts like this that turn discussions to ****.
    Indeed. I was merely pointing out facts. You choose to attack me and troll rather then discuss something relevant.
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Fascinating; so Obama didn't VOTE for the TARP program while a Senator and promote TARP as the ONLY solution?
    Not relevant to Zimmer's point. He's blaming him for something that occurred under the previous administration.

    Speaking of living in bubbles, how long did the invasion fight last in Iraq; a few weeks? That was incredible planning.
    Precisely. Because Bush handed off Iraq to people who actually knew what was going on. Bush administration involvement in actual strategy after 2005 pretty much could be summed up in one sentence: Got the hell out of planning.

    I suppose you think military planning can incorporate every possible enemy tactic and plan for potential insurgencies and terrorist attacks?
    Nope. But given the pre invasion planning and the whole WMD fiasco, anyone who thinks...you know what. I know better then to talk to you. If you want to discuss without the hyperpartisanism, I'll be chatting with Jallman and Zyphlin.
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Thanks TD, I think "recession" is what I would call it too even though I'm no economist. From the "outside the US" POV, we seem to have caught a cold after the US sniffled - meaning we followed the lead after the US economy and credit markets took a dive.
    I think many European markets caught pneumonia when the derivatives they were being sold as being safe as the US mortgages that backed them imploded.

    I believe that Europe and Asia have been going through tough times prior to this event. The implosion of the derivative market caused them to move from sniffles to pneumonia and now globally we are all dealing with it.

    But the prescription for this pneumonia we are being told is castor oil, lots and lots of castor oil. What we really needed was bed rest, and time to get over it.

    The credit markets will adjust as will mortgages. If confidence continues to erode due to the rhetoric we are seeing from the politicians to further their agenda, then yes, perhaps we will descend even further into the abyss.

    The 1980's were just as bad, if not worse than what we are currently experiencing. But you didn't see politicians suggesting we spend $1.7 trillion dollars they donít have bailing everybody and their brothers out or propping up the mortgage business.

    The peak unemployment in the Carter years was about 10.5% with high inflation, oil shortages and interest rates on mortgages that reached double digits. I lived through that and my first mortgage was a variable that started at 8% and had a cap of 16.5%. Yet no one talked about depression or how we needed Government to bail us all out. At least, I donít remember that conversation.

    Now suddenly we are being led to believe that the ONLY way out is through vast Government expansion and intrusion into every aspect of our economy and having carbon credits shoved down our throats, union card checks shoved down our throats and deficit spending that boggles the imagination in its size.

    Isnít it obvious that this is this administrations attempt to fear monger to advance a Liberal Socialist agenda?

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Didn't Obama support the bailout plan? He's was voting senator, was he not? Why play blameless?

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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Again, calling Obama a Socialist when you cannot for your life define it doesn't produce any meaningful discussion.

    And Obama is correct in that he was not the one who started the current federal intervention into the nation's financial market. For those of us with something other then gold fish memory, the TARP was passed under Bush, not under Obama and the first $350 billion was spent under Bush, not Obama.

    And given how the Iraq invasion planning went on, Bush did live in a bubble.

    And cut the hyperpartisanism out. Or a great many people may start to ignore you. And that includes those on the right.
    Do I have to remind you as well of this childish diversion of defining socialism. I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Founders did not intend for the government to do what it is doing. Would you like to show me where they did? Have at it. It's common knowledge, do you require proof of common knowledge as well? Is that the way we're going to debate around here now? That every word must be defined and proven?
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    Re: Obama makes Oval Office call to reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Didn't Obama support the bailout plan? He's was voting senator, was he not? Why play blameless?




    Very good point, he did vote for it. he flew out to iirc...
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