"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Doesn't work like that. Those that are just in it for the money or fear of death are few and far between. The Taliban give incentives to work for them by essentially giving their members status above non-members. There are no "groups" of moderate Taliban only "individuals".
We don't talk with those guys like we did with the Awakening movement. We bribe them to give up information on the main body so that we can drop JDAM's on their meetings. They're called "spies".
Freedom is... never more than one generation away from extinction. Every generation has to learn how to protect and defend it, or it’s gone and gone for a long, long time- Ronald Reagan
Who controls the streets of a city in America? So with America it is all about the empire of the city. And with others its the empire of religion.
Is society was made of coral our world would be floral.
SO now the Joke is going to use a policy which he declared an utter failure..I suppose all his supporters now support it too...
jackasses..and the 'jack' is too nice.
Typical garbage form this crowd.
Taliban /al-Qaeda and friends are using suicide bombers and boobytraps now on a much larger scale in Afghanistan..
..because despite it failing to defeat the US military in Iraq..it kicked the **** out of the left in this nation and made them betray our soldier sin Iraq at every turn.
Just Surrender you jokes.
(Before anyone here gets in a pissy fit. The above is not in response to any post made here it is simply commenting on the BS crap Obama and his crowd of defeatist trash will/are pulling.)
Anyway....you might notice they are already hinting at the Afghans are "not doing enough" ...
Last edited by Triad; 03-09-09 at 05:47 PM.
This is COIN.
Most of these "Taliban" are just normal people motivated by the same things we are, money, food on the table, security... etc... Religion is not the priority of the standard Taliban Soldier. These are the people he hopes to bring back to fold of peace. And they are winnable and worthy of our time if we expect to beat this insurgency... Kinda like the Sons of Iraq.
coin military - Google Search
sons of Iraq - Google Search
Henry Crumpton is a man I respect tremendously for his covert field work in Afghanistan for the CIA. He was legendary for his efforts and then he was made an Ambassador, but he's since left the State Dept. Now I don't know what he is doing. I suspect something that can't be broadcast.
But here is his view of what we are doing there and what we should be doing.
Read the entire interview here:“Dealmaking is a part of what can be a successful counterinsurgency campaign. ... But it needs to be the right kind of deals, the kind of deals that will deny Al Qaeda that opportunity to plot and plan.”
FRONTLINE: the war briefing: interviews: henry crumpton | PBS
You'll gain a new depth and dimension of understanding by reading this.
Feds say Canada's policy in line with that of U.S. on Taliban
Canada, one of the largest contributors to the efforts in Afghanistan, agrees with Obama on the diplomatic approach. This isn't a "left wing" issue whatsoever, but a reflection upon a failing campaign. NATO continues to press on in Afghanistan but the grim reality is that there is no substantial headway being made. Areas that become stable quickly destabilize again once forces are reallocated to other combat zones.
I personally don't think the diplomatic route is going to work unless we are dealing with Taliban moderates (assuming they exist). But the moderates must exist if there are those engaged in negotiations with Pakistan... diplomacy isn't exactly the sharpest skill of the radical right. In any case, the Western world would be approaching the Taliban with two severe disadvantages:
1) They were attacked following 9-11 without any attempt at diplomacy, so why should diplomacy work now that the war is several years old?
2) We are losing the war and we lose further face by approaching the victors.
That said, the Taliban themselves may be tired of fighting and who knows what the state of their internal resources is. Maybe a compromise of some kind could be reached? In any case, trying is probably better than nothing.
Last edited by Orion; 03-10-09 at 06:19 AM.
These two threads are the same.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...taliban-2.html (Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban)
Here is my response there.
I see the other side in theory, however how is this different than when posters like dragonslayer and other leftists post pictures of Saddam and rumsfeld or chastize the right for backing afghanistan against russia....
Isn't this the same thing? And again, how does one negotiate from the position of your death?
Matthew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Running around saying we are losing.
Which is a big motivation boost... btw-maybe next we can show pictures of dead US soldiers that is always a big morale booster...and so much more important then fighting to win a war.
Hopefully next week we can say our commanding Generals are liars..thats always a good one too.
Pathetic state the USA and the West is in today. Not interested in winning ..just looking tough.