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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your post is kind of like being cocky after being beat up by a 6 year old. I mean...yeah he's a community organizer. Ha-ha. But he still beat the Republicans, Sarah Palin and John McCain like drums. 300+ electoral votes was it?
    Great, then he won't have any problems spanking ImOnAJihad or the Taliban, will he?
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by partier9 View Post
    Yes we should talk to SOME of the Taliban. We think that all Taliban members are radical extremists, while certainly many are, there are other members who joined because they wanted money and to keep their heads. Those are the Taliban members we should talk to because we might actually get something done with them. But talking to the extreme parts of the Taliban is pointless and we will just waste time.

    Doesn't work like that. Those that are just in it for the money or fear of death are few and far between. The Taliban give incentives to work for them by essentially giving their members status above non-members. There are no "groups" of moderate Taliban only "individuals".

    We don't talk with those guys like we did with the Awakening movement. We bribe them to give up information on the main body so that we can drop JDAM's on their meetings. They're called "spies".
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Who controls the streets of a city in America? So with America it is all about the empire of the city. And with others its the empire of religion.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    OH!

    SO now the Joke is going to use a policy which he declared an utter failure..I suppose all his supporters now support it too...
    jackasses..and the 'jack' is too nice.

    Typical garbage form this crowd.

    Taliban /al-Qaeda and friends are using suicide bombers and boobytraps now on a much larger scale in Afghanistan..

    Know why?
    ..because despite it failing to defeat the US military in Iraq..it kicked the **** out of the left in this nation and made them betray our soldier sin Iraq at every turn.


    Just Surrender you jokes.





    (Before anyone here gets in a pissy fit. The above is not in response to any post made here it is simply commenting on the BS crap Obama and his crowd of defeatist trash will/are pulling.)

    Anyway....you might notice they are already hinting at the Afghans are "not doing enough" ...
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    This is COIN.

    Most of these "Taliban" are just normal people motivated by the same things we are, money, food on the table, security... etc... Religion is not the priority of the standard Taliban Soldier. These are the people he hopes to bring back to fold of peace. And they are winnable and worthy of our time if we expect to beat this insurgency... Kinda like the Sons of Iraq.

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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Henry Crumpton is a man I respect tremendously for his covert field work in Afghanistan for the CIA. He was legendary for his efforts and then he was made an Ambassador, but he's since left the State Dept. Now I don't know what he is doing. I suspect something that can't be broadcast.

    But here is his view of what we are doing there and what we should be doing.

    “Dealmaking is a part of what can be a successful counterinsurgency campaign. ... But it needs to be the right kind of deals, the kind of deals that will deny Al Qaeda that opportunity to plot and plan.”
    Read the entire interview here:

    FRONTLINE: the war briefing: interviews: henry crumpton | PBS

    You'll gain a new depth and dimension of understanding by reading this.

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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Feds say Canada's policy in line with that of U.S. on Taliban

    Canada, one of the largest contributors to the efforts in Afghanistan, agrees with Obama on the diplomatic approach. This isn't a "left wing" issue whatsoever, but a reflection upon a failing campaign. NATO continues to press on in Afghanistan but the grim reality is that there is no substantial headway being made. Areas that become stable quickly destabilize again once forces are reallocated to other combat zones.

    I personally don't think the diplomatic route is going to work unless we are dealing with Taliban moderates (assuming they exist). But the moderates must exist if there are those engaged in negotiations with Pakistan... diplomacy isn't exactly the sharpest skill of the radical right. In any case, the Western world would be approaching the Taliban with two severe disadvantages:

    1) They were attacked following 9-11 without any attempt at diplomacy, so why should diplomacy work now that the war is several years old?

    2) We are losing the war and we lose further face by approaching the victors.

    That said, the Taliban themselves may be tired of fighting and who knows what the state of their internal resources is. Maybe a compromise of some kind could be reached? In any case, trying is probably better than nothing.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    These two threads are the same.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...taliban-2.html


    Here is my response there.


    I see the other side in theory, however how is this different than when posters like dragonslayer and other leftists post pictures of Saddam and rumsfeld or chastize the right for backing afghanistan against russia....


    Isn't this the same thing? And again, how does one negotiate from the position of your death?
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Running around saying we are losing.
    Which is a big motivation boost... btw-maybe next we can show pictures of dead US soldiers that is always a big morale booster...and so much more important then fighting to win a war.


    Hopefully next week we can say our commanding Generals are liars..thats always a good one too.

    Pathetic state the USA and the West is in today. Not interested in winning ..just looking tough.

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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Henry Crumpton is a man I respect tremendously for his covert field work in Afghanistan for the CIA. He was legendary for his efforts and then he was made an Ambassador, but he's since left the State Dept. Now I don't know what he is doing. I suspect something that can't be broadcast.

    But here is his view of what we are doing there and what we should be doing.



    Read the entire interview here:

    FRONTLINE: the war briefing: interviews: henry crumpton | PBS

    You'll gain a new depth and dimension of understanding by reading this.
    More on COIN, Check out anything written by LTC Nagl, he wrote soup with a Knife. The military is pushing that book hard at all of the COIN training areas... There is another book, I got it somewhere they gave me in class, I can't remember the author right now, but it is a french guy (a country who has beaucoup experience in COIN) and the foreword is by Nagl... I think its called military Counter-Insurgency tactics, or something like that...

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