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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Divde and conquer there is some taliban who see things as a purely local battle and those who see it as a worldwide conflict we need to get them to turn on each other.
    That is exactly the rationale behind the Pakistanis giving up the Swat Valley to the Taliban.

    It's the same strategy we used in Iraq to gain peace.

    Afghanistan is unwinnable any other way.

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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You failed to answer the question at hand, instead you provided unnecessary commentary on Obama's history.

    I am normally for talking and not shooting, but what the hell is a "moderate Taliban" like? They won't kill you as hard? They don't hate you as much? They will limit their oppression of women? They will steal from the super poor and give to the super rich?
    Not a good idea.
    Well I merely pointing out that Obama has the experience to deal with these thugs.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well I merely pointing out that Obama has the experience to deal with these thugs.
    If you're going to compare the Taliban to thugs in America then you are just as blind as I thought you were.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your post is kind of like being cocky after being beat up by a 6 year old. I mean...yeah he's a community organizer. Ha-ha. But he still beat the Republicans, Sarah Palin and John McCain like drums. 300+ electoral votes was it?

    Whether or not people feel for his line of BS, he's president now not McCain. So his "experience" or lack of is relevant to his decisions.

    Yay, he won the elections. He's still a schmuck and is starting to approach GWB dumb in his policies. Stick to what he's doing now.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Keorythe View Post
    Whether or not people feel for his line of BS, he's president now not McCain. So his "experience" or lack of is relevant to his decisions.

    Yay, he won the elections. He's still a schmuck and is starting to approach GWB dumb in his policies. Stick to what he's doing now.
    I suppose Bush 43 has already shown and Obama is showing that an Ivy League degree does not a good president make. We know this in Taiwan as well as we have a Harvard Law grad as our president.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    Good idea or not?
    Comments please.
    I read a CNN article somewhere that said Patreus actually used this tactic in Iraq.

    Its a bad idea.


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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    The Awakening movement is much different than what we have in Afghanistan. You had a number of self determination groups who were anti-American but wanted to rebuild the country. Both sides of the fence were offering resources, money, and training. However, the wanton destruction caused by Al Queda didn't go over well with them and they grudgingly decided to go over to the American side who avoided civilian casaulties and infrastructure damage as much as possible. No kids getting beheaded or mosques being blown up.

    Afghanistan has no such setup. You've got the citizens and the Taliban. There are no militias with the same kind of local strength that you had in Iraq. Those have already been stamped out and absorbed by the Taliban. The Taliban has also had its roots dug in deeply for a long time in the area. On top of that the local government isn't nearly as recognized by the local population. In some areas the name of the president is pretty much unknown due to the nomadic culture.

    Defeating the Taliban is going to require that we train the local army effectively but also stamping out the Taliban to the point that the locals can effectively fight them without being at such a disadvantage. Gaining support isn't going to be as easy as it was in Iraq. The locals don't see their nation as being in shambles nor do they want to put anything back together. We're going to have to do alot of this on our own.
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your post is kind of like being cocky after being beat up by a 6 year old. I mean...yeah he's a community organizer. Ha-ha. But he still beat the Republicans, Sarah Palin and John McCain like drums. 300+ electoral votes was it?



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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Where does one begin negotiations with people whos position is your death?
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    Re: Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I read a CNN article somewhere that said Patreus actually used this tactic in Iraq.

    Its a bad idea.
    It is not a bad idea.

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