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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I didn't say they argued against it, I said you don't hear praises. Nor do you ever hear about gains made without embryonic cells.
    I don't know your interests, but I would venture a guess that you primarily frequent politically oriented sites. DP is pretty much all the politics I do, and I frequent tech/science sites primarily. From a tech perspective I can say that you are absolutely wrong. There has been much fanfare about a couple of papers describing methods of inducing adult cells to act as stem cells that were released in mid-February. This is not a political issue, however, so it is unlikely that it got much play time on political blogs (or in the MSM for that matter). Advances of all types are praised, but it's only when politics gets in the way of science that the discussion gets as high profile as embryonic stem cells tend to be.

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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    I don't think I've ever seen an issue that is so misunderstood (or intentionally misrepresented) as the issue of stem cell research, except perhaps the Bush policy on stem cell research.


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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Questionable. Most people don't seem to realize that embryonic stem cell research is done on otherwise discard invitro embryos. The same embryos that would be donated to universities or incinerated as biowaste. Either way, the embryos are doomed. Stem cell research is taking cells that would normally be doomed anyway and using them for a productive purpose. The notion that embryonic stem cell research is going to lead to creation of embryos just for destruction is insane, likely dishonest and downright false. For years fertility clinics destroyed hundreds of thousands of embryos without peep from the critics of embryonic stem cell research. And rarely do you see any of them calling for the shut down of invitro fertilization.

    Either they are ignorant or hypocrites.
    I'm quiet sure they are both
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    I think it's sad someone would try and stop medical advances in any shape or form. Go Obama!
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Questionable. Most people don't seem to realize that embryonic stem cell research is done on otherwise discard invitro embryos. The same embryos that would be donated to universities or incinerated as biowaste. Either way, the embryos are doomed. Stem cell research is taking cells that would normally be doomed anyway and using them for a productive purpose. The notion that embryonic stem cell research is going to lead to creation of embryos just for destruction is insane, likely dishonest and downright false. For years fertility clinics destroyed hundreds of thousands of embryos without peep from the critics of embryonic stem cell research. And rarely do you see any of them calling for the shut down of invitro fertilization.

    Either they are ignorant or hypocrites.



    So in the bigger picture, does one see a new market for creating these embryos? How do you feel about creating embryos for profit?


    The only thing that changed is Obama is allowing government to fund the research..

    More non-stimulus spending in a recession. Great!
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So in the bigger picture, does one see a new market for creating these embryos? How do you feel about creating embryos for profit?


    The only thing that changed is Obama is allowing government to fund the research..

    More non-stimulus spending in a recession. Great!
    I may be wrong, but I don't think this increased the amount of spending at all. It just allows the already allocated research funding to be given to embryonic stem cell studies.

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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I may be wrong, but I don't think this increased the amount of spending at all. It just allows the already allocated research funding to be given to embryonic stem cell studies.


    Perhaps on paper, however, wouldn't not spending money. now spending money be a net increase in spending?


    Was this money tied up? Do you have a link?
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Perhaps on paper, however, wouldn't not spending money. now spending money be a net increase in spending?


    Was this money tied up? Do you have a link?
    I'm saying that federal research money is a part of the budget - the amount isn't going to change. All that Obama's move does is allow stem cell studies to tap into federal funds that are already allocated for research. There isn't any more money going around, there's just more studies with access to the same amount of money.

    And no, I don't have a link. That's just my understanding of the process.

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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I'm saying that federal research money is a part of the budget - the amount isn't going to change. All that Obama's move does is allow stem cell studies to tap into federal funds that are already allocated for research. There isn't any more money going around, there's just more studies with access to the same amount of money.

    And no, I don't have a link. That's just my understanding of the process.

    ok, I see your point.

    Then again, money is being taken from a less controversial research and given to this research, no?
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    ok, I see your point.

    Then again, money is being taken from a less controversial research and given to this research, no?
    *shrug* and abstinence only education wasn't controversial?

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