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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    After eight years of Bush Obama's stance on science is enough that I doubt I'd ever be in the 'disapprove' category of approval ratings. This move has been a long time coming and I'm glad that Obama is working to reverse the anti-science attitude that has characterized the White House lately. America should always be at the forefront of science, and I think that America's relative absence in stem cell research for nearly a decade has put a real damper on medical progress. I applaud Obama for reversing the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research

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    This is one of the few things I'm impressed with about the current administration. The past administration essentially viewed science as a tool to kill terrorists and nothing more. If it wasn't battlefield related, it really wasn't supported by the administration.

    And it is painfully obvious that our economy is going to be knowledge based. Without a strong foundation in the sciences, we will become a third world nation.

    But we have a long way to catch the world in biosciences and renewable energy.
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Questionable. Most people don't seem to realize that embryonic stem cell research is done on otherwise discard invitro embryos. The same embryos that would be donated to universities or incinerated as biowaste. Either way, the embryos are doomed. Stem cell research is taking cells that would normally be doomed anyway and using them for a productive purpose. The notion that embryonic stem cell research is going to lead to creation of embryos just for destruction is insane, likely dishonest and downright false. For years fertility clinics destroyed hundreds of thousands of embryos without peep from the critics of embryonic stem cell research. And rarely do you see any of them calling for the shut down of invitro fertilization.

    Either they are ignorant or hypocrites.
    Or it could be you. What makes you more of an expert than Johns Hopkins?
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Or it could be you. What makes you more of an expert than Johns Hopkins?
    Learn context. I was talking about the argument against stem cells from the save the life argument. Dr. John Gearhart however, was arguing that embryonic stem cells produce abnormal growths that appear to be detrimental. And based on some events, he does have a factual foundation. However, that does not equate to an ironclad case to stop. Every major breakthrough from rocket science to medical surgeries has come with its share of unexpected consequences. We often find ways around them. Just because we have found what appears in some cases to be long term potential problems does not mean we abandon everything. Dr. John Gearhart was not discussing the argument against stem cells from the pro-life crowd.
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Unfortunately your side never praises adult stem cell research, but argues that nothing is gained without embryonic stem cells. That's why I'm skeptical, it appears very political and not in the interest of the best medicine or in the preservation of life. People are fighting animal testing, but not embryonic stem cell research.
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Unfortunately your side never praises adult stem cell research, but argues that nothing is gained without embryonic stem cells.
    My side? Assume much don't you?

    Where has anyone argued against adult stem cells?

    And furthermore, explain to me the benefits of reducing one's options in terms of medical breakthroughs.

    it appears very political and not in the interest of the best medicine or in the preservation of life.
    Rich coming from a supporter of the administration who saw science as nothing more then new ways to kill people.
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    I didn't say they argued against it, I said you don't hear praises. Nor do you ever hear about gains made without embryonic cells.
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    I am in favor of supporting stem cell research.

    I am by no means in favor of the President being able to do this just by signing his name, bypassing Congress and the Constitution itself.

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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, the embryos that are discarded are discarded for a reason. Often they carry genes for hereditary diseases, have genetic damage or some other significant problem that removes them from being selected for implantation. We don't want to save those embryos. If we did, we'd simply be propagating hereditary diseases and genetic defects.

    It seems like a simple decision. Use embryos that are not only inferior in genetics harboring diseases and defects, but are doomed anyways to aid research to save potentially millions from all sorts of horrible afflictions.
    Why? Jesus would cure them.
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Why? Jesus would cure them.
    You think that's funny?
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    Re: Obama to reverse limits on stem cell work

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I am in favor of supporting stem cell research.

    I am by no means in favor of the President being able to do this just by signing his name, bypassing Congress and the Constitution itself.
    And why not? Bush did the exact same thing - Bypassed congress and the constitution to outlaw it. Was that not OK either?
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