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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Why don't Republicans take the step of removing their earmarks from the spending bill? Then Democrats would follow suit and everyone would be happy.



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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Word is that the Senate worked late yesterday allowing the Republicans to offer amendments, and then successfully voted them down. They also alleviated some fears that some Dems and Reps had regarding Cuba. It is supposed to go to a vote today with enough support to pass. Obama has pledged to sign it quickly should it pass.

    I don't have a link to this yet, I got the info from a colleague who works the Hill. I imagine it will break soon. If you get the CongressDailyAM/National Journal (which I doubt many do because quite frankly it's boring as hell and you wouldn't want to read it unless you worked with Congress on issues) it's in this mornings edition also. I'm going to look for the online link.

    EDIT: I can't link to it because it's subscriber based only...pay site. But anyway, I read it there just a minute ago. So we'll see.

    EDIT AGAIN: Apparently it's broke.

    Senate expects final spending bill vote today.

    Strategy Memo: Omnibus Vote Today.
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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I read your treatise and am not sure what your point is here Lenny; so let me ask you a few questions:

    (1) What is your notion about "balance" you talk about above?

    (2) What is the main cause of poverty in this nation in your opinion?

    (3) How do you think people who have been born to poverty, eventually rose above it?

    I am assuming your statements are about the haves vs. the have-nots.
    I appreciate your interest in my thoughts, but I am not sure my words would truly equal a treatise.

    My points may not have been as you believe, but I will try to expand.

    My reference to balance is actually pretty simple, and just like the Chinese Yin and Yang define there is a balance of everything in the world. We all can have different views on this and what balance is in general but what I am speaking of is the changes to everything that connects to something when one part becomes out of balance.

    I did not mean that the initial out of balance issue was the current levels of "haves and have nots" or even what I do believe to be true in the amount of wealth currently separating the haves and haves a littles (haves a littles being the working class etc) but rather I was trying to point out that there was a separate issue that became out of balance that ultimately caused us to come to where we are today.

    This unbalance I speak of was created when the politicians learned how to fully manipulate our systems. Before you discount the rest just try and consider that from their working our system to remove protections, introduce new protections for themselves, and basically infiltrate simultaneously the Federal Reserve, Taxes, and various loop holes specifically created to allow this all to happen.

    What I am getting at is that politics had become too powerful, and with this power started things to become off balance. Not only was government no designed to be of the size and power it is today and has been for some time, but once this became out of balance it also caused many other things to follow suit.

    See after they figured how to get away with economical "murder" they needed new ways to both finance themselves, and also further increase control. Part of this was the need to have an ever increasing amount of corporate consolidation of private industry and small business to maintain their political contributions and "pay to play" to make up for the loss of wealth of the larger amount of individual contributors, and the ever growing government we have seen etc.

    At this same time there were also other imbalances working on everything as well. Some were possibly a result, and others coincidence etc but there was changes happening at this same time to our GDP, wages, tax rates, exports, imports, changes in manufacturing, introduction of various new taxes hidden as fees, licenses, permits, registrations, use taxes and so many new ways to redistribute the costs of running an ever increasing government therefore actually redistributing wealth at the same time.

    There have been so many changes that have happened as a result of these things being out of balance that I would not know where to start, but no matter if you want to discuss the changes from anything from the import/export imbalance to the haves and have nots to the power of government increasing while the power of the people has decreased right on down to the municipal level it comes right down to the fact that things are not balanced.

    We have too few true middle class families, too many families relying on assistance, and apparently too much of the overall remaining wealth of America being held and controlled by a small few.

    I do not believe in communism, or socialism as an answer for our current conditions, but I also can see with the squeezing of the once middle class combined with the increase in levels of the working poor, and poor with little opportunity for actually fighting their way into the ranks of wealthy America.

    What many seem to miss is that the cost of running an ever increasing government is a large part of the problem, and is majorly out of balance.
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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

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    When was the last time you held the left accountable for anything?
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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Senate Passes Huge Spending Bill, Heads to Obama for Signature.
    WASHINGTON -- Congress on Tuesday cleared for President Obama's signature a $410 billion measure to fund the government, a measure denounced by most Republicans as an example of reckless spending.

    The Senate approved the measure by voice after it cleared a key procedural hurdle by a 62-35 vote. Sixty votes were required to shut down debate.

    Obama will sign the measure Wednesday, the White House said, but he will also announce steps aimed at curbing lawmakers' penchant for pet projects.

    The $410 billion bill is chock-full of lawmakers' pet projects and significant increases in food aid for the poor, energy research and other programs. It was supposed to have been completed last fall.
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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Woohoo! Let's piss some more money away! Besides, everyone knows that throwing money at a problem makes it go away.

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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Woohoo! Let's piss some more money away! Besides, everyone knows that throwing money at a problem makes it go away.

    Well I had some very worthwhile projects on that bill. So it's not all bad.

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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well I had some very worthwhile projects on that bill. So it's not all bad.

    Well then I am glad that this black hole spending bill is actually helping someone!
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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Woohoo! Let's piss some more money away! Besides, everyone knows that throwing money at a problem makes it go away.


    That is how the great state of NJ has fixed all their problems for years.

    Judging by how well it works with urban school systems there it has to be good for the rest of the country

    Can anyone else see the connection between the fact that the states with the most amounts of wasted dollars also have the most problems to show for it?
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    Re: Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

    I'm getting this bumper sticker, even though I payed for my place already.



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