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    Re: Democrat looking at taxing health benefit

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What about private practices that use public facilities? I have a doctor who has a private practice but uses the public hospital if she needs to do an MRI or some other procedure she doesn't have the resources to do at her small office.
    Doesn't the hospital charge for the MRI, etc?

    Hospitals, both private and public, work very hard to get doctors to refer patients to them. Most patients don't pick the hospital, their doctor does. It the doctors are not referring patients to a hostpial it will not be in business very long.

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    Re: Democrat looking at taxing health benefit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is a step TOWARD a free market system, as it is eliminating a government-created market distortion. Both employers and employees have an artificial incentive for the employer to provide health insurance rather than the employee buying individual coverage.
    Eliminating the government created market distortion is eliminating the incentive for employers to provide it.
    Which has nothing to do with a totally free market where health care is concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Actually, I'll give you an easier question: Please name one serious economist.
    Which of course makes your original statement as significant as mine.
    Which was my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Employers would have no incentive to provide health care in the first place if not for the tax code. That is NOT a free market, and the fact that you support this (most likely without understanding what you're supporting) undercuts your claim to favor a free market.
    Don't confuse opposition in regards to one issue as support for another.
    My "totally free market" comment was made in reference to 'Health Care', not the market as a whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Militaries and police have existed for millennia. The idea of what "taking care of the people" entails has simply evolved.
    The Military is there to prevent hostile actions against the Country as a whole.
    Police are there to keep the internal peace.
    That is governance.
    These haven't change in any significant way.

    You are arguing 'General Welfare' and that meaning really hasn't 'evolved', but is in flux, between those who wish to change it's original intent, versus those who wish it to remain what it means.
    Some well intentioned people (seeking to reinterpret the wording to fit their cause) have been able to implement changes and others support going further, while other well intentioned people seek to undue and stop any further movement in that direction.

    Regardless. None of what you say here changes the fact that the essence of Government is to 'govern', not 'take care of', or provide 'support' to it's citizens.

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    Re: Democrat looking at taxing health benefit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not everyone has a job that provides health benefits.
    You don't need a job that offers health insurance. The county health department has services available. You pay/don't pay for the services based on your income.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    People wouldn't need to "sponge off the system" as much if they had access to preventative care instead of emergency care only. The overall share of the GDP spent on health care would almost certainly decline if we had universal health care.
    We already have universal healthcare, it's called the county health department.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If these things are county-run, that's great and I'm all for them. But obviously there are going to be huge differences in quality, as not every county has the money to offer quality health services to its residents.
    Then that's a matter that needs to be addressed by the residents of that county.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Meh, I'm hesitant to trust that to the counties. At the very least, it should be the state's responsibility. Otherwise we'd have an enormous system of patchwork laws and no coordination between locales (which, actually, is what we have now).
    You're hesitant to trust your local rep, one that you can easily contact, but you'll trust a unseen bureaucrat in Washington?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It doesn't matter what the topic is. It always comes back to The Brown Man, doesn't it.
    You're the only one bringing race into this. I said illegal alien, you know, anyone who is in our country illegally.
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