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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    From the drudge report snippet:

    RUSSIA BRUSHES OFF OBAMA: NO 'HAGGLING'
    'Haggling,' however, was not 'productive,' Medvedev said.

    Developing...
    This is showing that Russia brushed off Obama, or is this evidence that he brushed off the question asked from a reporter? I guess whether or not haggling was part of the letter is crucial information here.

    The Kremlin also disputed talk of any trade-off in the letter. In Moscow, a Kremlin source told FOX News there was no quid pro quo on Iran and missile defense in the letter, but said the correspondence was considered very positive and contained a number of initiatives.
    Obama: Letter to Moscow Addressed Missile Shield, Did Not Offer Trade-Off - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

    A bit of sensationalism for an attention grabbing headline using unsubstantiated evidence?? Or are the Kremlin and White House both lying over the contents of the letter??

    We will never know for sure unless we see the letter I suppose, but I do not put much credibility in the Drudge piece, nor the initial NY Times piece based on 1 anonymous source either.

    Either way, I do not construe any of Medved's comments from the Drudge link as "Brushing off Obama" that is solely the creation of whoever wrote the headline.

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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Well...Russia obviously gains the benefits anyway this thing turns out(already they have the President of the USA coming to them hat in hand and trying to bribe them to help him-winner for Russia). They are basically shopping Obama for a py of and he appears more then willing to give them one.

    But they are going to take their pound of flesh as well..which may in the end protect all of us form the ignorance of Obama.


    You don't give up a strategic military defense system that your foe has been bitching and threatening you over for an agreement to hold your hand in diplomatic negotiations with another threat.
    Its just simplistic and idiotic at face value. Its what you expect to get from a far left college student...not a real world leader addressing factual existing circumstances.

    This is the first major f up by Obama in foreign affairs and we'll be watching the Russians exploit him now that they they know for a fact how weak he is.

    +1 Russia..with the possibility of turning it into a +100.

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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Speculation right now. But he is smart and he's still undergoing some what of a learning curve.
    Why do so many think that Obama is so damned smart? The word is glib... like a used car salesman! He certainly is not retarded, but I've never seen evidence that he is quick witted. He certainly didn't shine when the teleprompter was taken away from him. I wonder how he would have fared in the campaign if the press would have pressed him as they did Hillary and all Republicans.
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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    You don't give up a strategic military defense system that your foe has been bitching and threatening you over for an agreement to hold your hand in diplomatic negotiations with another threat.
    Even if it costs billions and doesn't work?

    This is the first major f up by Obama in foreign affairs and we'll be watching the Russians exploit him now that they they know for a fact how weak he is.
    Care to say how they can exploit the US now?

    +1 Russia..with the possibility of turning it into a +100.
    +2 for a defense policy based more on diplomacy with major powers instead of technology that fails 90% of the time.

    I don't understand this at all. There are exactly 10 interceptor missiles in Poland. It's there for no other reason to get cashed in as a bargaining chip for other things, notably help with Iran and easier supply lines to Afghanistan. Since Russia is helping to oversee the dry runs of Iran's nuclear power plant and in charge of changing their spent fuel rods, the only way to achieve anything with Iran, other than massive war, is with Russian help.

    Seriously, all these conservatives make no sense to me.

    Can we spend money on education IN America? Highway projects for our crappy infrastructure IN America? Healthcare for Americans?

    Nonono That's pork spending oh my freaking god!!!!!

    How about a defense system that rarely works, doesn't have a chance in hell of stopping the belligerents, sacrifices diplomacy with a major power and supplier of oil, costs billions, and, best of all, does nothing to defend the US?

    YES!

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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    I wonder how he would have fared in the campaign if the press would have pressed him as they did Hillary and all Republicans.
    We will never know; and to this day they continue to provide Obama cover. After all, they all went to great lengths to drag him across the finish line regardless of his extreme lack of experience and past associations.

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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Even if it costs billions and doesn't work?
    Already been shown to work. I realize thats the canned line (esp form Democrats) but its 10 years out of date.

    Care to say how they can exploit the US now?
    Numerous ways. Obama has shown he wil buy them off.
    If you don't think the Russians will exploit that..lol.

    BTW They ARE exploiting it right now. Instead of agreeing they are pushing for more...and they clearly believe Obama will give it to them.


    +2 for a defense policy based more on diplomacy with major powers instead of technology that fails 90% of the time.
    There is no defense agreement here. There is nothing here but an offer by one party to give up something significant for "help" from another party.

    ..and now it fails 90% of the time..not only do I know you pulled that number out of your nether region it also confirms that your at least 10 years behind the times.


    No matter how you try to spin this its a winner for Russia even if it goes nowhere from this point on they have already been handed a major political victory.

    Obama tried to barter our defense promises to our allies for nothing but air.

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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    And your evidence is this what? Obama hasn't the balls to handle the real world. He won't be allowed a teleprompter in negotiations with real leaders, they'll just keep ignore his letters and keep laughing at him. He'll give campaign speeches and talk talk talk.

    Remember Reagan? "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

    Do you think Obama has the ability to take such a stand? I don't.
    Reagan was a professional actor. He had zero, READ ZERO, part in the breaking of the Soviet Union.

    " Obama hasn't the balls to handle the real world?"
    He seems to be doing quite well, thank you. He sorta is the most powerful man in the entire world, if he is not capable of handling your definition of the "real world", then very few can.
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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Are you comparing Chamberlin to Obama and Hitler to Putin?

    Obama will play nicely for a few more months, then I believe he will start the back-hand bidding at $20
    And you base this assumption on what?
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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Reagan was a professional actor. He had zero, READ ZERO, part in the breaking of the Soviet Union.
    Now is that because he was a professional actor or because you needed a convenient red herring to detract from the fact that he aggressively negotiated with the Soviet Union better than Obama seems to be handling Russia?

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    Re: Russia Brushes Off Obama: No 'haggling'

    It's time to handle Putin like Reagan would.
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