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White House fires back at Rush Limbaugh

jallman said:
I'm sure somewhere in the recesses of your addled mind you have justified this massive spending as neccessary to stop Armaggedon. However, I am still free of such folly and recognize Porkulus for what it is: an over reaching shift toward socialism which has ALWAYS failed.
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Would you blame socialism for the current financial crisis?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I don't agree with all the spending in the Stimulus program. However, I am not stupid. I would rather be wrong than be destitute.
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If he does anything for the economy, I will give him credit for it then. Right now, I am not very hopeful.
 
jallman said:
Wrong again. I did not say "Obama does not represent America" because clearly he does represent us as a servant to the people who elected him.

I said "Obama is not America" and that Obama failing does not translate to America failing.
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If his economic policies fail, then America could slide into a Depression. So agree with them or not, you had better hope they don't fail.
 
jallman said:
If he does anything for the economy, I will give him credit for it then. Right now, I am not very hopeful.
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Which is fine. But certainly, for your own well being, you want it to work even if you have reservations about whether it will work, right?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You guys don't get it. By attacking Rush, he makes Limbaugh the poster child for the entire conservative movement. This results in infighting in the movement, and the marginalization of conservatives as extremists way out of touch with the mainstream.

So long as the average American associates conservatism with Rush Limbaugh, the GOP will have zero political capital.
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This opinion and false rhetoric of course is wrong, but what I find most amusing in such desperate rhetoric is the notion that Conservatives are the extremists while we watch the reckless and almost criminal runaway spending of this administration and the resulting drop in the stock market because of the reckless populist message being spewed by this new Administration.

Capital is fleeing watching this reckless spending and desperate divisive rhetoric and you think the Conservatives are the extremists? That is a very funny, yet absurd argument.

The reason this administration wastes time on a talk show host is because it is attempting to distract Americans away from the issues surrounding the Democrats power grab over every major facet of our economy.

Rush Limbaugh is a loud voice that expresses the feelings felt by millions of Americans and when the Democrats attempt to demagogue and belittle his message, they are belittling the beliefs of millions of Americans who now cannot have their voice heard over the cacophony of Socialist largess and almost Marxist like rhetoric we are seeing in our Government.

The irony is watching Democrats who demagogue the Bush white house as attempting to run our lives now have to desperately defend the REAL takeover and play it down as Conservatives wanting America to fail. But alas, this is no different than the desperate rhetoric we heard about the Iraq War and how it would fail and how the surge would not work and how Bush lied us into a war of his own choosing.

Conservative voices that are being marginalized are the ones fearful of the failure of America. Watching the reckless out of control efforts of Democrats should frighten every citizen in this country. But instead, as is typical from the Democrats, it is all about winning elections and marginalizing your opponents and NOT about solving America’s problems.

Alas, if the world were as simple as Liberals attempt to make it, wouldn’t it be nice if the ONLY thing a Nation had to do to prop up an economy or prevent recessions was to spend and tax it’s citizens into oblivion. But we have history on our side and if we look at it honestly, there is no history that suggests this can be done.

What we are witnessing here is a Democrat grab at political power and takeover of the American economy on a scale never seen before in our history, particularly in a time of peace. The reason is clear; they know that if they do not implement their entire agenda regardless of the cost to the American tax payer, they may not get another chance because the American people, and rightly so, may just vote them out of power once again just as they did in 1992.

No Southern, I think it is YOU and the Democrats who don't get it. In two years time when this economy is still wallowing in disaster and the tax bill is sent to the American people, it will serve as a troubling reminder of how badly the American voters where duped this election and why they can never trust ONE party to control the Government. Doing the right thing requires courage; something NO politician can afford because the American voters are so profoundly ignorant of the issues, economics and the historic record.
 
jallman said:
If he does anything for the economy, I will give him credit for it then. Right now, I am not very hopeful.
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I'm scared, I really do not think this is the time to raise capital gains taxes.
 
jallman said:
We have survived Depression. I hope he fails.
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That is stupid. So you would rather us to slide into Depression, where tens of millions of Americans slide into poverty and billions around the world suffer simply because you don't want Obama's economic policies to work.

That is just beyond ****ty of you.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is stupid. So you would rather us to slide into Depression, where tens of millions of Americans slide into poverty and billions around the world suffer simply because you don't want Obama's economic policies to work.

That is just beyond ****ty of you.
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No what is "****ty" is delving into a statist society out of fear of market corrections.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is stupid. So you would rather us to slide into Depression, where tens of millions of Americans slide into poverty and billions around the world suffer simply because you don't want Obama's economic policies to work.

That is just beyond ****ty of you.
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What's ****ty is Obama using a national crisis to press controversial agendae without any debate.

I was willing to give all this a shot until Nancy Pelosi played like a spoiled little brat over the availability of the bill and all the things that led up to the voting.

**** Obama and the Democrats. **** 'em in the ear.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If his economic policies fail, then America could slide into a Depression. So agree with them or not, you had better hope they don't fail.
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I really hate repeating mysaelf

If you believe that doing nothing will, long term, do less harm to the economy and to the country than the success of The Obama's plan, then there is nothing wrong at all with hoping that His plan fails.

Why?
Aside from the nationalization of the finance and auto industry, and the socialization of the enormous costs associated with their failure...

Nothing says "you aren't responsible for your bad decisions" like The Plan.
There's nothing worse than teaching people they aren't responsible for their bad decisions.

Hope The Plan fails?
Absolutely -- a depressision isn't as bad as the long-term harm The Plan will cause.
 
Tucker Case said:
As do I. I fervently hope these things do not pass. Like I said, in that sense I hope they fail. I hope most of these plans never see the light of day.
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They will pass; there is no one to stop the Democrats from implementing their entire agenda this or early next year.

Tucker Case said:
But if they do, I hope the hell I'm wrong about them, because if I'm right, everything will be in the ****ter.
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If they fail, it will be too late to attempt to turn back the clock; the damage is done.

I think the bottom line is this, decades from now as we watch our tax rates grow, our healthcare become marginalized, productivity vanishes and the Unions continue expand their control over vast parts of our industry and service sector, Americans will look back and say, "damn, we REALLY messed up and all we needed to do was look at the mess Europe was in."

But that's okay, pot will be legal and we can all hang out at the unemployment office collecting our permanent welfare checks, smoking pot and reminisce about the good old days when Republicans controlled the Congress. ;)
 
If America was a car and Obama is driving us in the wrong direction then obviously you hope he fails. The only way to get back on track is to realize you took a wrong turn. Do I personally hope Obama fails? Yep.

I VOTED for Obama.

I did it for two reasons. #1 McCain was running as a Republican who was going to drive down the wrong rode under the Republican label. Obama was going to go down the wrong rode under the Democrat label. If we're going to continue to move further and further away from conservatism it is best that we do so under a Democrat and not under a Republican.

#2 I was tired of race wars and happy to see that come to an end.

Do I hope Obama fails as in eventually we need to get back on track and start driving in the right direction? Abso****inglutely.

....Unless of course winged unicorns really do fly out of his arse and the heavens light up with rainbows while folks in the middle east play with my little ponies while eating ice cream. Do I see that happening? Uh no.
 
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Apparenlty president Obanana does not know mentioning Limbaugh's name broadens his audience. In politics even slander is good because it gets your name in the papers. That fact is as old as politics and I thought everyone knew that even Obanana. Guess not (by the way prez, nice job on the stock market so far).
 
talloulou said:
If America was a car and Obama is driving us in the wrong direction then obviously you hope he fails. The only way to get back on track is to realize you took a wrong turn. Do I personally hope Obama fails? Yep.
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Correction; the car is heading for a cliff. :cool:

talloulou said:
I VOTED for Obama.

I did it for two reasons. #1 McCain was running as a Republican who was going to drive down the wrong rode under the Republican label. Obama was going to go down the wrong rode under the Democrat label. If we're going to continue to move further and further away from conservatism it is best that we do so under a Democrat and not under a Republican.
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I lost a few bets because in November of 2007 I argued that Americans were not foolish enough to put a single party in power any time soon.

I may have underestimated the intelligence of the American voter OR, underestimated the power and desire of Americans to minimize their internal guilt for Racism thinking that Obama would once and for all put that issue to rest.

But that is as wishful thinking as hoping that Obama's plans will fail. They won't fail; they will be implemented before the mid term Congressional elections.

talloulou said:
#2 I was tired of race wars and happy to see that come to an end.
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They won't so for this reason alone, your vote, along with millions of others who falsely believed this helped enable Democrats to significantly move this country leftward.

talloulou said:
Do I hope Obama fails as in eventually we need to get back on track and start driving in the right direction? Abso****inglutely.

....Unless of course winged unicorns really do fly out of his arse and the heavens light up with rainbows while folks in the middle east play with my little ponies while eating ice cream. Do I see that happening? Uh no.
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This wont happen and the REALITY is that it is too late to wish this because once these Government programs are implemented it is highly likely and extremely hard to reverse.

My argument has always been that I can't stand McCain, but compared to the alternative, I was willing to deal with his stench until someone better could be found. Unfortunately, 56% of the American people where fooled into thinking Obama was a moderate and would help this nation heal its racial wounds.

What did that get us; a black attorney general who suggests the American people are a nation of cowards.
 
Truth Detector said:
My argument has always been that I can't stand McCain, but compared to the alternative, I was willing to deal with his stench until someone better could be found. Unfortunately, 56% of the American people where fooled into thinking Obama was a moderate and would help this nation heal its racial wounds.
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McCain turned into more and more of an asshat as the election went on. I would have considered voting for him indefensible. Towards the bitter end I couldn't stomach him. The Republican party needed to fail so it could pull its head out of its ass. The party as a whole needed a breather to remember who the hell they're supposed to be.
 
talloulou said:
McCain turned into more and more of an asshat as the election went on. I would have considered voting for him indefensible. Towards the bitter end I couldn't stomach him. The Republican party needed to fail so it could pull its head out of its ass. The party as a whole needed a breather to remember who the hell they're supposed to be.
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I fully agree, I almost pulled the trigger on Obama, but I couldn't I voted for no one for President.
 
talloulou said:
McCain turned into more and more of an asshat as the election went on. I would have considered voting for him indefensible. Towards the bitter end I couldn't stomach him. The Republican party needed to fail so it could pull its head out of its ass. The party as a whole needed a breather to remember who the hell they're supposed to be.
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And the Democrat Party deserved what? Tell me what the Democrats did that was so much better than the Republicans and why anyone would think they deserved to get the power they so desperately wanted even to the detriment of civil discourse?

This argument suggesting that the Republicans deserved a breather so that democrats could continue to spend us into oblivion is beyond absurd.

That is like suggesting that someone deserves to get cancer just to see what it feels like.

The reasons you couldn't stomach him anymore had more to do with the media assault on his campaign and whose propaganda you fell for and your willing denial towards everything Obama represented; there are no surprises over what is now happening except for those who willingly suspended their disbelief.

Well, you got what you voted for and then some. Enjoy the crow.
 
Truth Detector said:
But by not voting, you most certainly did vote FOR someone. ;)
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Yes I did.


And Obama is doing everything I want as president.... Screwing the pooch royaly....


Remember what carter did? Who did he give us? I am looking to the future. :mrgreen:
 
Truth Detector said:
And the Democrat Party deserved what? Tell me what the Democrats did that was so much better than the Republicans and why anyone would think they deserved to get the power they so desperately wanted even to the detriment of civil discourse?

This argument suggesting that the Republicans deserved a breather so that democrats could continue to spend us into oblivion is beyond absurd.

That is like suggesting that someone deserves to get cancer just to see what it feels like.

The reasons you couldn't stomach him anymore had more to do with the media assault on his campaign and whose propaganda you fell for and your willing denial towards everything Obama represented; there are no surprises over what is now happening except for those who willingly suspended their disbelief.

Well, you got what you voted for and then some. Enjoy the crow.
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McCain was going to spend us into oblivion too. He should never have supported the bail out in the first place. It became abundantly clear that I had two choices. A democrat who was gonna waste my money in epic proportions or a republican who was gonna do the same. The choice was relatively easy at that point.
 
jallman said:
What's ****ty is Obama using a national crisis to press controversial agendae without any debate.

I was willing to give all this a shot until Nancy Pelosi played like a spoiled little brat over the availability of the bill and all the things that led up to the voting.

**** Obama and the Democrats. **** 'em in the ear.
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His agenda is hardly controversial given his approval ratings and the approval ratings for much of his agenda.

Moreover, we had a debate on which direction the American people wanted the country to go, it was the election last year. Both sides spent 2 years making their case to the American people and the American people chose Obama overwhelmingly.

Personally, I care far more about results than ideology. I don't agree with all Obama's economic agenda and have stated as much in other threads, but in the end, considering the crisis we find ourselves in, and for that matter the economic crisis the rest of the world is in, I would rather his economic policies succeed than to be right about where I disagree with them on.

I think the vast majority of Americans feel the same way.
 
talloulou said:
McCain was going to spend us into oblivion too. He should never have supported the bail out in the first place. It became abundantly clear that I had two choices. A democrat who was gonna waste my money in epic proportions or a republican who was gonna do the same. The choice was relatively easy at that point.
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If you went over every McCain plan with a fine toothed comb you couldn't come anywhere near the near criminally irresponsible spending Obama is doing.

I'd love to see what you think his program included however.
 
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