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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Come on, is there any need for such cliches? You do know that Galileo was mainly tried because of a misunderstanding that made it look like he was ridiculing the Pope? Or at least that is what turned the general censure of him into a situation where he found himself on trial. The Pope was not only the head of the church but a temporal ruler and no King would have let such slide.

    But anyway The church did something wrong 400 years ago.....holy ****.

    How long until someone mentions the Inquisition. Come on taking bets.

    Does this mean I bring up the Bolsheviks and Jacobins whenever we are discussing modern liberalism because they display most of the important characteristics of it?

    As Robert Nisbet said From Burke to Kirk from Condorcet to ADA.
    What "misunderstanding"? Galileo did that on purpose. His explanation of solar mechanics was couched as a discussion. He named the person arguing the church's position, the geocentric position, "Simplicito"....which also means "idiot".

    No misunderstanding. Besides. He was wrong and recanted. Everyone knows Galileo recanted because he was wrong, and not because the church let him try on those thumbscrews to see how they looked as a fashion accessory.

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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Their thoughts on masturbation:



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    nuff said.
    You missed the last part of the sentence.

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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What "misunderstanding"? Galileo did that on purpose. His explanation of solar mechanics was couched as a discussion. He named the person arguing the church's position, the geocentric position, "Simplicito"....which also means "idiot".
    Actually it is generally thought he didn't mean to offend the Pope. However it did look like he was attacking the Pope directly. No King at the time would have stood for that.

    No misunderstanding. Besides. He was wrong and recanted. Everyone knows Galileo recanted because he was wrong, and not because the church let him try on those thumbscrews to see how they looked as a fashion accessory.
    Do you have proof of this or are you just talking cliched ****? The Inquisition was quite advanced for courts at the time.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Ludahai posted(Of course ignoring the fact that the Catholic Church has a long history of supporting and promoting science - but of course facts like that don't get in the way of some people's bigotry regarding the Church.)

    But only where that science does NOT digress from HRCC doctrinaire.

    If it happens to digress from that, then the perpetraters are dammed!, at least in the eyes of those who currently rule Vatican.

    Interestingly those in the past who were murdered for their beliefs by the HRCC but have subsequently had their 'souls' resurrected, pity they lost their lives for their beliefs.

    One believes in GOD by prayer too GOD, one does not pray to picture or statue that is supposed to represent GOD.
    Thou shalt not bow down to graven images.
    Unless of course you are a follower of HRCC.
    Man you Christians really piss me off sometimes. You spend so long attacking each other that you make the job a hell of a lot easier for your actual enemies, the bloody secularists and athiests.

    You seem to have ingested an unhealthy dose of cliche. The Jacobins rivalled the death toll of the Inquisition in a few years.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Umm you really don't understand Catholicism do you?

    Anyway, I'm sure you rely on very up to date books to tell you everything.
    As long as it doesn't have any talk of 2000 year old dead people coming back eventually and people being made from ribs. I'm good.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As long as it doesn't have any talk of 2000 year old dead people coming back eventually and people being made from ribs. I'm good.
    This would be perfect for you I think.

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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The Catholic Church supports science that doesn't contradict what they believe. That is not supporting science. Supporting science is seeing the evidence, analyzing it and ignoring the religious dogma that it contradicts. The Catholic Church can not in ANY real sense of the word 'promote and support' 'science'. It can promote and support that which does not come into conflict with what it believes as a religious institution.
    This goes against the history of the Church which has sponsored and supported scientific inquiry for well over a thousand years. The Catholic Church is not some fundie Protestant sect now.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    As long as it doesn't get in the way of Church dogma - ie, what's the catholic church's position on stem cell research again? What did the Church say of Galileo? Why did Copernicus wait until his death bed to publish solar centricity?
    You know Copernicus was Catholic and his work was praised by the Church, right? You know that Galileo's work was supported and sponsored by the POPE before he went off and presented as fact what there was not yet enough evidence for? Of course, facts like this are ignored by those with an irrational hatred for the Church.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I don't know why modern evolutionary theory is still referred to as Darwinism. Many of Darwin's theories have been critiqued and refined over time, and many evolutionary biologists flat out disagree with him these days.
    Because it is easier for those who are ignorant of evolution to call it that and those who accept it that. Despite my opinion of Justone, he doesn't call it that and he does have a decent level of understanding of the theory. Now others...well, they couldn't tell the difference between an adenine molecule and a caterpillar.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    This goes against the history of the Church which has sponsored and supported scientific inquiry for well over a thousand years. The Catholic Church is not some fundie Protestant sect now.
    I'm sorry to butt into an argument between you and someone else, but I'd like you to prove this assertion with evidence. Given the number of people tried for heresey over the years by the Catholic Church, I don't think they harboured very much openness about scientific inquiry.

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