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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    I don't know why modern evolutionary theory is still referred to as Darwinism. Many of Darwin's theories have been critiqued and refined over time, and many evolutionary biologists flat out disagree with him these days.

    As for the Catholic Church supporting science... it only supports science that in turn supports its own perceptions of the universe. Lest I mention what they did to Galileo after he proved the geocentric belief system to be wholy incorrect.

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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I don't know why modern evolutionary theory is still referred to as Darwinism. Many of Darwin's theories have been critiqued and refined over time, and many evolutionary biologists flat out disagree with him these days.

    As for the Catholic Church supporting science... it only supports science that in turn supports its own perceptions of the universe. Lest I mention what they did to Galileo after he proved the geocentric belief system to be wholy incorrect.
    Come on. Haven't you heard? The Catholic on that these days is that they didn't want it taught as fact because they considered it and unproven theory. Don't mention that the Catholic Church or those who supported it's position on the matter NEVER offered a science based counter argument or even tried to disprove the findings of Galileo. They offered theological counter arguments and this was all they needed to call their attack on science a 'victory'. Also do not mention that Galileo was tried for heresy.

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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I don't know why modern evolutionary theory is still referred to as Darwinism. Many of Darwin's theories have been critiqued and refined over time, and many evolutionary biologists flat out disagree with him these days
    Agreed. Darwin is little more then history and how the early theory came about. Today's Modern Synthesis has very little of his findings. But it has always been easier for the opponents of Evolution to typecast Evolution and those who accept it rather then discuss what Evolution actually is. American tried to cast evolution as atheistic. I have a formal debate on another forum I can show him where that asinine argument was soundly annihilated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This isn't as good as acknowledging evolution for the fact that it is BUT we are talking about the Vatican here. Not exactly the most progressive group on Earth.
    Coming from you I think they can take that as compliment.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    As for the Catholic Church supporting science... it only supports science that in turn supports its own perceptions of the universe. Lest I mention what they did to Galileo after he proved the geocentric belief system to be wholy incorrect.
    Come on, is there any need for such cliches? You do know that Galileo was mainly tried because of a misunderstanding that made it look like he was ridiculing the Pope? Or at least that is what turned the general censure of him into a situation where he found himself on trial. The Pope was not only the head of the church but a temporal ruler and no King would have let such slide.

    But anyway The church did something wrong 400 years ago.....holy ****.

    How long until someone mentions the Inquisition. Come on taking bets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Coming from you I think they can take that as compliment.
    Not sure what you mean. I don't rely on 1800 year old books to tell me what I should consider fact.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Oh that's right, Conservatives believe the earth is 5,000 years old. Sorry to disillusion you, but it's the Creationists who can't find a way to justify God's hand in natural selection. That's why opposition to Darwin is a test of faith. Believers in evolution don't "deny God", they recognize that Darwin just found a way to explain his handiwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not sure what you mean. I don't rely on 1800 year old books to tell me what I should consider fact.
    Umm you really don't understand Catholicism do you?

    Anyway, I'm sure you rely on very up to date books to tell you everything.
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    Re: Vatican hosts Darwin conference

    Ludahai posted(Of course ignoring the fact that the Catholic Church has a long history of supporting and promoting science - but of course facts like that don't get in the way of some people's bigotry regarding the Church.)

    But only where that science does NOT digress from HRCC doctrinaire.

    If it happens to digress from that, then the perpetraters are dammed!, at least in the eyes of those who currently rule Vatican.

    Interestingly those in the past who were murdered for their beliefs by the HRCC but have subsequently had their 'souls' resurrected, pity they lost their lives for their beliefs.

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    Unless of course you are a follower of HRCC.

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