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    Re: Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

    What is naive is to think it is a good idea to **** around in another great power's backyard. It is unlikely to even achieve much except help to destabilise the global balance of power further.
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    Re: Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

    The US threw Poland to the wolves in '45. Why is anyone surprised when they do it again?

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    Re: Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

    Russia is no more threatening to me then being surrounded by US technology on all fronts.
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    Re: Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post



    The last Democrat liked to drop his pants.
    That was far less dangerous than what this clown wants to do.
    Drop it for the Russians and Iranians.

    I hope they wear condoms.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    No, NATO works most of the time, while missile shields fail miserably more often than not.
    Don't most missile development programs?
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    Re: Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post



    Well, apparently the Russians also saw through the charade about how the missile shield was to protect against Iran. But the thing is, the missile shield is set for 10 interceptor missiles in Poland. As Vader pointed out, the only good it can do in regards to Russia is as a bargaining chip. If we can get cooperation from the Russians regarding Iran as well as easier supply lines into Afghanistan then it'll be worth the trade-off (not to mention, Euro's would certainly be happy with better relations between the West and Russia. Especially the thousands who froze during the recent gas dispute).
    I wouldn’t even know where ppl and NYT get all these rumors and thoughts. What is the purpose of the cheap falsifications? Translated version of http://lenta.ru/news/2009/03/03/nooffer/
    Previously, this information was commented by Dmitry Medvedev. The Russian president said that he conducts a dialogue with the American leadership on plans to place missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, but the possibility of "any exchanges [of favors]" had not been brought up in the dialogue so far.

    RIA Novosti - Russia - Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'



    RIA Novosti - World - Kazakhstan, Russia sign contract on S-300 air defense systems

    ASTANA, March 4 (RIA Novosti) - Kazakhstan has signed a contract with Russia on the purchase of S-300 air defense missile systems, the Kazakh defense minister said on Wednesday.

    The latest version of the S-300 family is the S-300PMU2 Favorit, which has a range of up to 195 kilometers (about 120 miles) and can intercept aircraft and ballistic missiles at altitudes from 10 meters to 27 kilometers.
    It is considered one of the world's most effective all-altitude regional air defense systems, comparable in performance to the U.S. MIM-104 Patriot system.
    The CSTO is a post-Soviet security grouping comprising
    1.Armenia,
    2.Belarus,
    3.Kazakhstan,
    4.Kyrgyzstan,
    5.Russia,
    6.Uzbekistan
    7.and Tajikistan.


    I wouldn’t even know where all these fantasies about Russian firing nukes do come from?




    It is not a way to get cooperation. It is a way to get cornered by Russians. It is a way to spend billions we don’t have for things which of no use, when all Russians have to do is to move a few old rockets on their own territory. It is not like they even have to use the rockets in a hypothetical situation, - that would be too expensive, - a few bare hands, knives and some explosives would suffice. Don't get too close to the body, don't get too close to Russia.

    The stakes in the situation are huge. The US has cornered itself. It is all now up to Russians. Of course, the US can continue on the way to a war… Obama and Democrats will desperately need a bigger war as a natural part of their stimulus plan. The only thing which plays for us is that Russia DOES need the US. One has to enter a conversation with Russia and see what they have in mind… one has to be unemotional, careful, smart and capable of taking pain. Unfortunately Russia does not need weak America, and Obama is set to make America weak.. Unfortunately Russia does not need stupid and careless America… and there is no one there even with a quarter of intelligence of Russian counterparts. It is all up to Russians now, we have no chips to bargain, no muscles to flex, no brains to turn the situation around. I hope for the best, but looking at Obama and Hillary, I get a shiver… It is all bad, very bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    While Russia is emerging from the post-Cold War slump they are nowhere near the capabilities they had before the fall, especially in regards to their Navy, nuclear submarines in particular. I was wary of hearing Cheney introduce the idea of a 'new cold war' a few years back (likely in part to justify defense contracts for obsolete, ultra-expensive cold war weapons), and am optimistic that can be avoided.

    Just to remind you, just a few words:
    All military of the State of Georgia, all equiped and trained by the US and NATO against a Russsian Army #58 equiped with drunk commanders and falling apart ancient tanks. Russia just moved a finger. Don't get too close to the body, don't get too close to Russia.
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