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    Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    The ordeal of Radas and others is now putting Spain under pressure to take a closer look at a dark chapter of its past. Historians say government archives show that the right-wing regime of Gen. Francisco Franco waged a campaign to take away children of their enemies, Republican prisoners, and sometimes stripped women of newborn babies. The goal was to educate the children to shy from leftist thought, embrace Roman Catholicism and support the regime.

    As part of an unprecedented ruling last year that accused Franco's forces of crimes against humanity, Spain's best-known judge, Baltasar Garzon, called for an investigation into the cases of people known as "the lost children of the Franco regime." He complained that "in 60 years they have not been the subject of any investigation whatsoever."

    The judge ultimately bowed out of the case in a dispute over jurisdiction. But now he is pressing provincial courts to move ahead with a probe. So far the provincial courts have not responded, but under Spanish law they are obliged to do so, said Fernando Magan, chief counsel for the Association for the Recovery of Historic Memory.
    Very interesting article.

    In 2007, Spain's Socialist government won parliamentary approval of a law that condemned the Franco regime and paid symbolic tribute to its victims. It was highly divisive, however, with conservatives complaining it reopened old wounds and went against the conciliatory spirit of Spain's transition to democracy after the dictator's death. This included an amnesty for wartime atrocities on both sides.
    Why should those who supported and committed war crimes be given ANY type of amnesty?
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    Re: Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    Hatuey posted(Why should those who supported and committed war crimes be given ANY type of amnesty?)

    Good question, the answer as always is that they should not.
    In most instances these folk are extremely wealthy and Money talks.

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    Re: Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    Its already in the moves in Spain.. Those people who "fled" to places such as South America are now entitled to Spanish citizenship.

    How can that benefit Spain? I don't know, but its happening.. Most likely because of pressure from certain groups that they can be Spanish now that Spain is a rich country. I read some article about this stuff, and those people have 5 or 10 years or something like that to claim Spanish citizenship.

    That might be another case of what you are talking about, definetely related, most likely part of the same thing.
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    Where is PeteEU?
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    Re: Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

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    Where is PeteEU?
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    Re: Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why should those who supported and committed war crimes be given ANY type of amnesty?
    If the fascists would be willing to relinquish power and allow a democracy to be set up, only if they are granted amnesty for crimes done under the previous regime, it seems a sensical thing to do if they still hold power. Somewhat like how Pinochet stepped down (well, actually fled with all the country's gold) without the need for a civil war.

    Not that it is the best solution, or a just solution, but a bloodless solution nonetheless. And I'm sure no Spaniard wanted to risk another war to determine the fate of the country.

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    Who cares?
    People who would like to know how a Spaniard (or, at least someone in Spain) feels about a Spanish issue.
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    Re: Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    Maybe PeteEU explain to why the spanish tortured little children during the Spanish Inquisition.
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    Re: Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post


    Why should those who supported and committed war crimes be given ANY type of amnesty?
    Well aside from the fact they'd be very old it presumably not felt it is worth opening up old wounds, both sides committed astrocities and it migt be felt it would achieve little. Also this was in the 30s and just how they'd be tried and under what laws is up for debate.
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    Re: Spain looks back at dark chapter of adoptions

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe PeteEU explain to why the spanish tortured little children during the Spanish Inquisition.
    Wtf? Leave the stupid comments about the inquisition to liberals.
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