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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    That's EXACTLY what I'm suggesting. McCain was a disaster of a candidate. Just as Mondale and Dukakis were disasters for the Democrats.
    And who is responsible for the nomination of John McCain? The Democrats? Judging by the voter turn out percentages, 2008 was no different than in years past except that more people went to the polls overall. In fact percentage wise it was higher than any presidential election since 1968. The conservatives did in fact go to the polls, they just got outnumbered by other voters...the democratic liberal kind. The numbers don't lie.

    There's a reason so many have been fawning over Obama these past few years... not simply because of his ideas. After all, is ideas aren't really that different than Hillary Clinton's. He gave a fantastic speech at the convention several years ago that inspired his base. There's something to be said about inspiration. McCain never had that. His defeat was pre-ordained.
    So you're saying the conservative movement would just sit out and idealistically sell their country out to the liberals simply because McCain wasn't charismatic enough? I'll take an opposing position here and say that McCain was overwhelmingly the choice among Republicans because he represented a change from what the party has become in the last sixteen years. There is a an obvious shift in this nation to a more center left lean. Right wing conservatism influence is certainly waning in the U.S. His nomination is clear and convincing proof of that.

    I won't argue with your points here, except to say that being a gushing talking head does not necessarily mean a pundit is 'out of the mainstream' of American values. Whether that's Rush gushing about Bush or Katie Couric gushing about Obama.
    I can get on board with that.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    If it's hypocritical for someone who did not serve in Vietnam to support the current military action, then is it just as hypocritical for someone who did serve in Vietnam to oppose current military action?

    Not sure. Does the opinion of somebody who's never chopped down a tree count as much as that of somebody who lost their legs chopping down a tree?
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And who is responsible for the nomination of John McCain? The Democrats? Judging by the voter turn out percentages, 2008 was no different than in years past except that more people went to the polls overall. In fact percentage wise it was higher than any presidential election since 1968. The conservatives did in fact go to the polls, they just got outnumbered by other voters...the democratic liberal kind. The numbers don't lie.
    No, the numbers don't lie. But they can be mis-interpreted. Election turnout varies from election to election, either because one or either side, or both, choose to stay home. Or because one side or the other are energized:



    The fact that liberals turned out in far greater numbers to vote for Obama this election does not, by necessity, mean that conservatives were swayed to vote for him. It does not signal some great ideological shift in the electorate. It only means, as you rightly point out, they were outnumbered by liberals who were 'inspired' to got out and vote. In a way they had not been inspired for years.

    So you're saying the conservative movement would just sit out and idealistically sell their country out to the liberals simply because McCain wasn't charismatic enough?
    I voted. I did not vote for McCain. I did not vote for Obama. I did not 'sell my country out. I think that's an odd characterization.

    I'll take an opposing position here and say that McCain was overwhelmingly the choice among Republicans...
    Go back and review the primary results. McCain was NEVER the overwhelming choice among GOP voters. He squeaked through consistently with roughly a third of the vote or so in the primaries until every other contender dropped out.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not sure. Does the opinion of somebody who's never chopped down a tree count as much as that of somebody who lost their legs chopping down a tree?
    That's a great question.

    I suppose if one were to take the position that those who have the most experience fighting, or better yet, are now fighting, are the best policy-makers... then the correct course of action in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan would be to let the military commanders on the ground and in the Pentagon make the decisions about when, where, and how to manage these conflicts.

    Good idea?

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not sure. Does the opinion of somebody who's never chopped down a tree count as much as that of somebody who lost their legs chopping down a tree?
    Did Barack Obama ever serve in the military?
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    One thing I'm pretty certain about. I if met someone who'd lost his legs chopping down a tree, the LAST thing I'd do is ask him for his advice and instruction concerning the finer points of tree chopping.


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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    I completely support the right embracing the visionary wisdom of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Colter. Good luck in all your future endeavors.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I won't argue with your points here, except to say that being a gushing talking head does not necessarily mean a pundit is 'out of the mainstream' of American values. Whether that's Rush gushing about Bush or Katie Couric gushing about Obama.
    I'll take issue with this part of your post. Katie Couric portrays herself as non-partisan and objective in the dissemination of the news, but she might as well be wearing her candidates campaign button while she is on air. Chris Mathews, another so called objective journalist, reports a tingle running up his leg??? and becomes almost sexually aroused when he reports on the Bamster.

    Rush on the other hand is completely honest about where he's coming from. Nothing bi-partisan here it's all conservatism all the time. Love him or hate him but he ain't lying.

    So they both advocate and only Rush is honest.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    No, the numbers don't lie. But they can be mis-interpreted. Election turnout varies from election to election, either because one or either side, or both, choose to stay home. Or because one side or the other are energized:

    There is nothing being misrepresented or misinterpreted. The bottom line is, and more to the point what I'm trying to communicate, that the nation is shifting left, and the GOP is in dire straits. The internal struggle within the GOP to define what it actually stands for is evidenced by that.
    The fact that liberals turned out in far greater numbers to vote for Obama this election does not, by necessity, mean that conservatives were swayed to vote for him.
    I understand this, and that is kind of my point. More people are turning out and more people, as in a majority of Americans, are voting Democrat.

    It does not signal some great ideological shift in the electorate.
    It does indeed signal an ideological shift among the electorate in that the percentage of separation between the numbers on the right and left is growing to the benefit of the left. Is it a "great ideological shift?" Not great, no, but it is fairly strong. And as you have pointed out, it sends the signal that among the percentage of voters out there, the democrats are much more inspired or driven to participate in the process and change the direction of our government. This is evidenced by the voter turnout and the percentages of the split. Again, the great disparity here really highlights the problems within the GOP. They aren't inspired, they are torn internally over whether their future is to be moderate or conservative. If they weren't McCain wouldn't have gotten over 72% of the GOP delegates.
    It only means, as you rightly point out, they were outnumbered by liberals who were 'inspired' to got out and vote. In a way they had not been inspired for years.
    And we have some common ground on this issue. But it doesn't only mean more people got out when you look at the totality of the election and it's effect on the country.
    I voted. I did not vote for McCain. I did not vote for Obama. I did not 'sell my country out. I think that's an odd characterization.
    Well I think most politically active people are aware of the realistic issues regarding the duopoly of our system. Voting for Ron Paul might as well be sitting out for any effect it's going to have on the election. I understand that you are using your vote as your voice, but at the same time I would think that most Republicans would never just sit idly by and watch the Dems sweep the House, Senate, and Presidency. The Republicans went to the polls and there is no evidence that any significant number sat out or voted third party in protest. If you add up all of the third party votes they don't equal even 1.5%. That's not abnormally high.

    Go back and review the primary results. McCain was NEVER the overwhelming choice among GOP voters. He squeaked through consistently with roughly a third of the vote or so in the primaries until every other contender dropped out.
    McCain absolutely was the overwhelming choice. He received over 47% of the popular vote in an essentially three way race. He got well over twice the votes of his two strongest opponents (Romney 21.7%, Huckabee 20%) and ended up capturing over 72% of the delegates.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Hey Rush - While you are hoping Obama fails, consider this - We had 8 long years of fail already. Enough is enough.
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