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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Why? In the current political state of the U.S. (as is so commonly accepted) the Dems (and by default the libs) hold themselves out to be the doves, the Reps (and by default the cons) are the hawks. Liberals would naturally tend to rally around an anti-war type if the political logic were sound. Thus the claim of irony about the cons rallying around a "draft dodger" (which isn't true but you get the point I hope). So your comment isn't really all that spot on.
    Now you're confusing two issues... anti-war types and draft dodgers. One is not the equivalent of the other. And even more important, there's a world of difference between getting a deferment and 'dodging' the draft. And I'm the first to admit that this issue swings both ways. And that military service has been and probably will continue to be an issue in politics for years to come... for both sides.

    But that's not what you said in your previous post. You said you found it 'ironic' and 'laughable' that conservatives would rally behind a draft-dodger. Based on that, I take it you believe that Rush 'dodged the draft.' And that you 'laugh' at the irony of it.

    So yes, I believe my comment was direct on spot.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Come on Hatuey, I absolutely despise Rush Limbaugh, but to insinuate that report from his doctor was not legitimate is gonna take some corroboration. The medical diagnosis is genuinely a reason to be deferred from military service. Technically he wasn't a draft dodger, he had, by all accounts, a legitimate deferment.

    Unless of course I'm missing something. There are plenty of good reasons to beat Limbaugh up with, I just don't see this as one of them.
    If rush was not such a hypocritical histronic blowhard I doubt people would have much of a problem with his anal cyst that got him out of service.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Come on Hatuey, I absolutely despise Rush Limbaugh, but to insinuate that report from his doctor was not legitimate is gonna take some corroboration.
    Rush's history with doctors has lead me to the realization that just the way he doctor shopped for his prescription drugs then he most likely got a doctor to fabricate a non-existent condition. This is supported by his inability to keep a coherent story. If his condition had been indeed worthy of removing him from those eligible for the military then all he'd have to do is tell a physician in the military and done. But he didn't. He went to great lengths to avoid the military.

    The medical diagnosis is genuinely a reason to be deferred from military service.
    And this medical diagnosis was never made by a military physician. Meaning it's about as valid to me as word of mouth.

    Technically he wasn't a draft dodger, he had, by all accounts, a legitimate deferment.
    I avoided being hit by a ball by twisting my body.

    I dodged the ball.

    Sounds about the same.

    Unless of course I'm missing something. There are plenty of good reasons to beat Limbaugh up with, I just don't see this as one of them.
    I find his war cries to be hypocritical.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    The flip side of that, of course, is that you would NOT find it laughable for liberals to rally around a draft dodger.

    Hmmm.... it is quite a tangled web, indeed.

    Funny how you've been here and are talking like you know my position on this. You've been here for....3 days?
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Limbaugh is part of the problem for you guys.
    No. You see the republicans were neutered until Obama told Republicans not to listen to Limbaugh.

    Before that moment I thought this is going to be baaaaaaaaaaaaaad for the R's. The R's seemed whipped. Obama had sucked out a lot of oxygen.
    Then THE MAN himself came to the rescue. He did two things:

    1. He woke up the R's, and now there is the beginnings of unease. They may have passed Porkzilla quick, but now it is a pinata for Republicans to smash with impugnity.

    2. He elevated Limbaugh to co-combatant status. Limbaugh writes an economic proposal, writes about the Censorship Doctine, and is all over the media lie never before... all because of Obama.


    I've seen the work product of the extreme right...on this very board for example. Unintelligent nonsense and lies instead of actual arguments. The extreme right is just as guilty as the extreme left. For the hyperpartisan lot on the right, even being associated with the Democratic party means you are a flaming liberal slapnut. Reverse that and apply it to the left and claiming to be a conservative makes you a Bush apologizing supporter of the invasion of Iraq, waterboarding, and stripped civil rights.
    Extreme right? You mean those of us who cherish the Constitution and its brilliance?

    What is it about the Constitution you do not like?

    The R's:

    We do not like seeing the courts or schools used as political weapons.
    We do not like being taxed to ridiculous levels.
    We dislike class warfare.
    We dislike the nation being Balkanized.
    We love and respect the men and women who serve in our Military.
    We believe in protecting our borders.
    We want safe streets.
    We want to have government get off our backs.
    We believe Americans should be treated the same under the eyes of the law.

    In short, we want limited government.
    Strong where it should be strong and weak where it should be weak.

    Obama, and most Libs have these priorities backwards.

    Limbaugh simply has fun pissing off Libs (by mocking them and illustrating the ridiculousness of their ways) by telling the truth! He, as Paul Harvey used to say... tells.. "the rest of the stoh-reh".

    You get an audience his size, that long... without coercion... by being honest and funny. He's both.
    If Limbaugh represents true conservatism you guys are quite possibly doomed. At least while he serves as your messenger.
    [/QUOTE]Again, the opposite. Somebody has to articulate the similar failures of Carter and Obama. Limbaugh is up to the task.

    Obama is the problem.
    For a man touting Hope for 18 months...
    He leaves the stench of hopelessness. Negativity. Depression.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I think one of the biggest mistakes we can make is to use the results of the latest election to gage the conservative/liberal leanings of the American people. If that were the case, then we'd have to assume the basic ideology of Americans swung wildly back and forth from the 1980s to the early 1990s and then somehow back to the precarious middle again. Now back to the left.
    Well what else are we going to use? Your vote is your voice. The majority of people clearly did not want the current form of the GOP in power, and that is evidenced by the Democratic majority in the House, Senate, and the election of Obama. And I don't see any true conservative voting for Obama because they didn't like McCain. Surely you're not suggesting that the conservative base just gave up and didn't turn out because they had McCain as a nominee?

    I think what's true is that Limbaugh and Hannity are not nearly as 'whacko' right as many on the left would like to have us believe. They do, in fact, represent a good majority of Americans well-within the mainstream of political thought. Just as Katie Couric or Chris Matthews or Keith Olberman are also within the 'mainstream', though on the other end of it.
    We'll disagree on this as I feel that they are extreme in their views. Limbaugh in my opinion is certainly very far right and very hyperpartisan. Hannity is simply a talking head like that idiot Chris Matthews. He literally gushes.
    Limbaugh and Hannity are generally targeted not because of the fringeness of their ideas... but because of the enormous audiences they generate, and the power that comes with that.
    With Hannity I'll agree with you, he doesn't really have any ideas of his own. He's a mouthpiece in my mind and that's fine. With Limbaugh, I personally think he's targeted because he embodies the boisterous right wing asshole element of conservatism.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Funny how you've been here and are talking like you know my position on this. You've been here for....3 days?
    I've been around long enough to know logic fallacies when I see them.

    An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
    How many of your posts do I need to read before I know your position on this?


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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I find his war cries to be hypocritical.
    If it's hypocritical for someone who did not serve in Vietnam to support the current military action, then is it just as hypocritical for someone who did serve in Vietnam to oppose current military action?


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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well what else are we going to use? Your vote is your voice. The majority of people clearly did not want the current form of the GOP in power, and that is evidenced by the Democratic majority in the House, Senate, and the election of Obama. And I don't see any true conservative voting for Obama because they didn't like McCain. Surely you're not suggesting that the conservative base just gave up and didn't turn out because they had McCain as a nominee?
    That's EXACTLY what I'm suggesting. McCain was a disaster of a candidate. Just as Mondale and Dukakis were disasters for the Democrats. There's a reason so many have been fawning over Obama these past few years... not simply because of his ideas. After all, is ideas aren't really that different than Hillary Clinton's. He gave a fantastic speech at the convention several years ago that inspired his base. There's something to be said about inspiration. McCain never had that. His defeat was pre-ordained.


    We'll disagree on this as I feel that they are extreme in their views. Limbaugh in my opinion is certainly very far right and very hyperpartisan. Hannity is simply a talking head like that idiot Chris Matthews. He literally gushes.
    I won't argue with your points here, except to say that being a gushing talking head does not necessarily mean a pundit is 'out of the mainstream' of American values. Whether that's Rush gushing about Bush or Katie Couric gushing about Obama.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    No. You see the republicans were neutered until Obama told Republicans not to listen to Limbaugh.
    Absolutely false. The Republicans weren't neutered, they were reeling from a major defeat, it's happened before, and they've come back. Don't give Obama more credit than he's due. The GOP beat itself because internally it was seeking change from it's recent history. See the nomination of John McCain.

    Before that moment I thought this is going to be baaaaaaaaaaaaaad for the R's. The R's seemed whipped. Obama had sucked out a lot of oxygen.
    Then THE MAN himself came to the rescue. He did two things:
    It is bad for the GOP, and the U.S. is going to have Obama for eight years. If you think his voter base is going to shrink over the next four years you're mistaken. If anything it will grow. He'll be getting us out of a highly unpopular war and capitalizing on the fact that the Bush administration led this economy into the death spiral it's in. He already has a strong platform for 2012. With the MSM at this side (whether you like it or not it's reality) Obama will carry eight years in the White House.

    1. He woke up the R's, and now there is the beginnings of unease. They may have passed Porkzilla quick, but now it is a pinata for Republicans to smash with impugnity.
    Sure they can smash it all they want. What do you think the media message is going to be?

    2. He elevated Limbaugh to co-combatant status. Limbaugh writes an economic proposal, writes about the Censorship Doctine, and is all over the media lie never before... all because of Obama.
    Not true. Limbaugh elevated himself to where he's at. He's doing like any political/media savvy figure does and he's capitalizing on the situation. Obama didn't make Limbaugh a figure head for the right...just look at your own statements. The man has always had a huge audience. The GOP is a wreck and trying to pick itself up right now. Limbaugh is right where he's always been, in their ear. Now he's just in front of the camera behind a podium.

    Extreme right? You mean those of us who cherish the Constitution and its brilliance?
    No, I mean the extreme right. I'm a Democrat and I cherish the constitution as well. That is not a mutually exclusive position you get to claim. Unless you are going to engage me in hyperpartisan rhetoric.

    What is it about the Constitution you do not like?
    Well, I spoke too soon I see.

    The R's:

    We do not like seeing the courts or schools used as political weapons.
    Could have fooled me.
    We do not like being taxed to ridiculous levels.
    But judging from the last eight years you certainly like to borrow and spend to ridiculous levels. So what would you consider being "taxed to ridiculous levels" anyway?
    We dislike class warfare.
    So do Democrats.
    We dislike the nation being Balkanized.
    So do Democrats. Can you give an example of that actually happening here in the U.S.
    We love and respect the men and women who serve in our Military.
    So do Democrats.
    We believe in protecting our borders.
    So do Democrats.
    We want safe streets.
    Which is why Bush and Co. with Republican backing stripped desperately needed money to state and local law enforcement and funneled it into bigger federal government. The Dems under Obama are returning that funding, this should make you happy.
    We want to have government get off our backs.
    Okay, how do you mean "off our backs." That's one of those generalized statements that gets slung around at coffee shops by old people.
    We believe Americans should be treated the same under the eyes of the law.
    As do democrats.

    In short, we want limited government.
    Strong where it should be strong and weak where it should be weak.
    Not in judging the last eight years you don't seem to.
    Obama, and most Libs have these priorities backwards.
    Not at all.
    Limbaugh simply has fun pissing off Libs (by mocking them and illustrating the ridiculousness of their ways) by telling the truth! He, as Paul Harvey used to say... tells.. "the rest of the stoh-reh".
    Right, in other words he's a caustically vocal right wing asshole. We have Randy Rhoades as our cross to bear.

    You do not get an audience his size, that long... without coercion... by being honest and funny. He's both.
    What? You just said you don't get an audience of his size and for that long by doing that. And I'll disagree. I don't think he's all that honest at times and certainly not funny. Right wing talk radio is what it is. He's popular. So? He still doesn't get the job done otherwise he would have been there doing it this last election. He tells you what you want to hear, or what he wants you to hear. This is no magic weapon.
    Again, the opposite. Somebody has to articulate the similar failures of Carter and Obama. Limbaugh is up to the task.
    Well as soon as he can do that honestly, we'll see what happens.
    Obama is the problem.
    Maybe, but not for the reasons we talking about here. The GOP is it's own problem.
    For a man touting Hope for 18 months...
    Who beat the GOP into utter submission. What's that say about your party direction? That a trouble making, liberal, marxist, racist, crack smoking, non-citizen, amateur politician with terrorists as friends can walk in and just blow your candidate and your party off the map?
    He leaves the stench of hopelessness. Negativity. Depression.
    Actually, I think that what you are smelling might be the current state of the GOP. The Dems and the voters that put them in the majority are pretty happy, hopeful, and upbeat about things.
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