Last edited by TheNextEra; 03-02-09 at 07:35 PM.
IYour theory here only supports my position. He beat the crap out of every other candidate by a a minimum 2+ to1 margin. You call that what you want, but overwhelming is an apt description relatively speaking. Nobody even got close to McCain as a viable alternative candidate. Again, we are just going to disagree on this.want to focus on this particular point because you've made it several times, and I believe it flies in the face of fact. To describe McCain's choice by GOP voters in the primaries as 'overwhelming' simply misses the boat. Here's a link to the primary results in the event you'd like to refresh your memory: Republican Primary Results National: 2008 Elections - AOL News McCain slowly gathered up victories until all the other candidates pulled out. His final tally of 47% of the primary vote, (something a bit less than overwhelming), was largely built up after all other candidates were out of the race. Unlike Obama and Hillary who were fighting neck-and-neck down to the wire. So yes, McCain was something of a 'default candidate.' He was never able to energize the party during the general election, despite, or because of his curious pick for running mate. And his idiotic floundering during the first bail-out bill sealed his fate. Any Democrat would have won this race. Any Democrat.
Well I don't know where you're from and any of the Republicans you know, but the primary numbers show that the vast majority of Republicans wanted the moderate McCain as their man as evidenced by his very handy defeat of his fellow Republicans...who were conservatives. The GOP picked their man and that pick left the conservatives frustrated and wanting.Again, your characterization of John McCain as a 'knight in shining armor' comes from thin air, as far as I can tell. I don't know any Republicans who were ardent McCain supporters. Most of the arguments in his favor were of the 'vote for the lesser of two evils' type.
I can agree with you on this.We'd have had 'change' this election no matter which candidate won. If McCain had miraculously pulled out a victory, we'd be hearing from liberals that the conservative base of the GOP was dead. The one thing that is absolutely guaranteed after every election is that win or lose, each side will continue spinning their spin. There's one other thing that's guaranteed after each election... partisans on one side or the other drinks a little too much of their own Kool-Aid in the celebrating. For years or eight years later... the tables are turned.
Not really new, no. But interesting because of how the primary worked out. There are marked differences in the candidate the GOP put forward and what the conservative element wanted. That is very interesting because it indicates that conservative influence didn't carry anywhere close to it's traditional weight. Why is that?Nothing new here. Nothing new at all.
A little while back Obama responded directly to Rush saying something like "you can't listen Rush Limbaugh and get things done." At the time I figured it was stupid of Obama because responding to Rush would essentially be legitimizing him. There was a thread about it and I think a few people felt the same way. What did he have to gain from even acknowledging , Rush 's mouthpiece even exists? As time went on more people starting talking about the GOP leadership vaccum. Nobody had really stepped up to become the voice of the party. It hindsight I'm starting to think it was actually a calculated move by the Democrats. Rush Limbaugh as the voice of the Republican party is strategically desirable because every time he opens his mouth he makes conservatism look utterly retarded to everyone except the GOP rank and file. He's a polarizing figure and he'll push moderates away.
It looks like things are starting to heat up...
Last edited by theTANTALIZER; 03-02-09 at 07:56 PM.
Like I've said several times over multiple posts, some liberals are clueless, and some will never get it.
You'll never get it, your sig shows the democratic mentality.
I said at the beginning, you'd never get it...lol..
The new adminstration under Obama won't use the word terror/terrorist.
Yet they're "terrorfied" of a talk show host....lmao
Pain can be such a beautiful thing
McCain pretty much won the primary because he was the lesser of the evils, NOT because Republicans were rejoicing in his nomination.
Try to stay focused. The thread is about Limbaugh supposedly "rallying", not about McCain.
Pain can be such a beautiful thing
"Life, liberty, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness...."
2 problems with that:
1) These words are from the Declaration of independence, not the Constitution.
2) The word "Freedom" is not part of that sentence from the Declaration of Independence. Our founding fathers used the the word "Liberty" alone, which means the same thing.
Nobody is picking on Rush Limbaugh. He is showing his own ignorance without any help from Obama or anyone else.
Last edited by danarhea; 03-02-09 at 08:09 PM.
The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016
If you REPUBLICANS didn't want them, why did you pick them to even run for the primaries? lol.
Now go run away like you normally do pretending nothing happened
This is funny as hell.
If Republicans picked McCain as the lesser of the evils presented in the primaries, why did REPUBLICANS pick those choices in the first place?
According to you Republicans elect those closest to their political ideals, so McCain was the choice of those ideals ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC because those choices are the ones the Republicans PICKED to run in the primaries.
At this point Gotta, the honorable thing is just to admit Republicans don't elect those with their ideals since the whole Primary listing you guys were presented with were chosen by REPUBLICANS lol.
Last edited by TheNextEra; 03-02-09 at 08:22 PM.
No, I'm quite right. The REPUBLICANS picked John McCain, they rallied around him, and they showed up in traditional numbers at the polls to vote. This is documented statistically. The angry conservative base may not have went to the polls or voted third party, but their absence wasn't missed statistically speaking. Your assumptions about what millions of other people thought and did or didn't do is noted however.Wrong, I didn't vote for him, like millions of other Americans.
Right, so you're proposing that the angry Republicans ousted their own party and gave the House and the Senate away? Well, I'm not sure what's more absurd...the notion that's how it happened or the Republican strategy your touting. Whatever it is, please...stick with it.All the Republicans who lost their seats in '06 and '08, based on their behavior over the last 8 years. They didn't get the votes by angry Republicans, they sold us out, we shoved them out, by not voting for them.
You're right, I'll never get what it is your preaching because it's not realistic. And my sig is a reference to a bet I made during the election. I was right.You'll never get it, your sig shows the democratic mentality.
Well I like what your saying here. So how did you feel about the rest of your party turning on you?You betcha, he sold me out on immigration reform, the creation of DHS (expanded government) and not vetoing bills that had runaway spending attatched to them by both parties.
Yeah you did say that.I said at the beginning, you'd never get it...lol..
Is that like "strategery?"Yes, terror-fied. New term, obviously way above your head. Here I'll explain it to you...
Really? They won't?The new adminstration under Obama won't use the word terror/terrorist.
Oh my god you're right it is so funny the way you say that!Yet they're "terrorfied" of a talk show host....lmao
Whining, lol...okay.No spin. Your boy Obama and his goon are on TV whining about Rush Limbaugh, a talk show host.
You are an awful angry person.Obviously you don't. Your post is just another cluster **** of bloviated hot air.
No, McCain pretty much won the primary because the majority of Republicans wanted him as their candidate. You've yet to offer up a valid, substantial alternative reason as to why he beat two allegedly conservative candidates in Romney and Huckabee. And I don't know if you watched the RNC this last year or not, I didn't see any stern and glum faces there. Were they just going to wait to employ their strategy of ousting Republicans who sell them out until after the election or what? Poor McCain...never saw it coming did he? I can just imagine his shock at learning the Republicans didn't really want him as their candidate when they elected him as their candidate.McCain pretty much won the primary because he was the lesser of the evils, NOT because Republicans were rejoicing in his nomination.
Yes, if I was trying to avoid dealing with the condition of the Republican party I would avoid the McCain Incident altogether.Try to stay focused. The thread is about Limbaugh supposedly "rallying", not about McCain.