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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
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    Limbaugh broadcasting company pays fee's and follows the guidelines set down by the government to use those airways. To make a profit they charge for advertising. The profit is then taxed by the government.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Yes, and Rush was a huge fan of Bush for all that time. I'd say Rush has some credibility issues.



    He was?


    You sure about that? How often do you listen?
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I suppose that depends on your definition of 'respectable margin.' Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan (twice), George H.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton (once) all won by greater margins. And some of them by hugely greater margins. Obama's victory might be respectable. But it's certainly not pushing any records. In fact, at 7%, it's barely even 'average.' Maybe a little less than average.

    I didn't say it was pushing records though did I? I didn't mean to infer he won by a "landslide." I merely said it was respectable. And it is. Better than about half the Presidents in history, and within a point or two of most others. That's not bad. Read into what you want.

    That sounds like two different points. Was McCain chosen because of his platform or in spite of it?
    It does seem a bit confusing looking back at how I worded it. Sorry about that. Let me rephrase. Frame this in the post election excuse making...despite the claims from the right that John McCain was a RINO, despite the claims from the right that John McCain was more centrist than he was right wing conservative, despite the claims that John McCain was somehow just not charismatic enough, despite the claims that John McCain was so "not right" that Obama should have won by a 10-15% margin...the GOP still picked him overwhelmingly as their man. So, I ask...what does this say about the GOP and conservative influence?

    If the nation were truly in as awful a mess as you describe, then why didn't Obama, the great orator, win a landslide victory on the order of magnitude as shown in the chart above?
    He won by a greater margin than his predecessor did during a war when the nation should have been behind GWB. You're focusing on a non-issue here. So is the goal to avoid the issue of the condition of the GOP by debating the margin of victory that Obama had? Again, nobody is saying it was a landslide, but it was respectable (my opinion).

    McCain was, by all accounts, the most uncharismatic, unpersuasive, unconvincing, and unlikely candidate the GOP could muster. He ran, by most accounts, an incredibly disorganized and sloppy campaign.
    Yet the GOP knew all of this about him and he was their knight in shining armor. Except when it became apparent you were going lose and lose handily.
    The country was in the middle of an unpopular war, and suddenly faced with a huge and unprecedented financial 'crisis.'
    A situation greatly accelerated by the Bush administrations response to 9/11 and it's borrow and spend methodology.
    Yet still, Obama's margin of victory was less than average. Again, refer to the chart. Where does 7% fall? Not impressive.
    Okay, you've made your point, Obama didn't win by a landslide. You've become somewhat preoccupied however. 7% doesn't impress you, fine. Accepted. So now that we have that cleared up, let's talk about the GOP. I understand why McCain lost, what I want to know is why the Republicans got behind him. In what amounted to a three way race for the candidacy he took nearly half the popular votes and over 70% of the delegates. My point here is that there is a very profound shift taking place in the Republican party towards a more moderate stance. It's the conservatives like Limbaugh who are in a bind here. The majority of your party went in the opposite direction in this last election. We see a distinction now in the GOP. A very moderate guy like McCain beat the crap out of two conservatives within the Grand Ole Party. How does that happen exactly if not for a noticeable change in posture by American Republicans?

    No sea change in ideology going on here folks. Lots of wishful thinking. Which is fine!

    There certainly is a change taking place. But it's for the Republican party to work out. Until it decides what it's new identity is, moderate or conservative, the Democrats will hold sway.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    He was?


    You sure about that? How often do you listen?
    Yes, he was a Bush supporter. This is a commonly known truth. How could you even suggest it's not the case? And it goes both ways. Bush 41, W, and Jeb are all huge Rush fans.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Yes, he was a Bush supporter. This is a commonly known truth. How could you even suggest it's not the case? And it goes both ways. Bush 41, W, and Jeb are all huge Rush fans.


    different argument...


    will said "Rush was a huge fan of Bush for all that time"


    He critisized Bush on numerous issues and highly critical at the end over the bailout therefore "all that time" is highly innaccurate.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    different argument...


    will said "Rush was a huge fan of Bush for all that time"


    He critisized Bush on numerous issues and highly critical at the end over the bailout therefore "all that time" is highly innaccurate.
    I would like to see where Rush has criticized Bush, especially numerous times. It's one thing to criticize Republican members of Congress, but we're specifically talking about W here. I want to see where he was highly critical of Bush over the bailout. I see where he is critical of the bailouts, but I find little of anything where he goes after George W directly. I have found a lot of support for Bush by Limbaugh. I've looked around a bit already. Show me what I can't find. I would be very careful saying Rush is "highly critical" of Bush, or even implying that.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I would like to see where Rush has criticized Bush, especially numerous times. It's one thing to criticize Republican members of Congress, but we're specifically talking about W here. I want to see where he was highly critical of Bush over the bailout. I see where he is critical of the bailouts, but I find little of anything where he goes after George W directly. I have found a lot of support for Bush by Limbaugh. I've looked around a bit already. Show me what I can't find. I would be very careful saying Rush is "highly critical" of Bush, or even implying that.



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    That didn't take much effort. But see I knew he was critical of Bush on numerous things. I find most critisizm of him based on hearsay and third party information.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I would like to see where Rush has criticized Bush, especially numerous times. It's one thing to criticize Republican members of Congress, but we're specifically talking about W here. I want to see where he was highly critical of Bush over the bailout. I see where he is critical of the bailouts, but I find little of anything where he goes after George W directly. I have found a lot of support for Bush by Limbaugh. I've looked around a bit already. Show me what I can't find. I would be very careful saying Rush is "highly critical" of Bush, or even implying that.
    Then go look it up. Go to Rush's website yourself.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then go look it up. Go to Rush's website yourself.
    I did. Next?
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Yet the GOP knew all of this about him and he was their knight in shining armor. Except when it became apparent you were going lose and lose handily.
    I don't know how this last class of nominees got through to be perfectly honest, most of them were left of Bush on the political scale and shouldn't have had a chance of winning the nomination. I think conservatives within the Republican party including Rush and those of us like myself warned fellow Republicans to vote for someone more conservative to be on the ticket because of the potential of McCain getting abused, all a decent candidate had to do was use his voting record, and Obama was a superb candidate(though his politics make me sick) who had a machine for a campaign. Also, there was the crossover vote in open primaries which did not help us, that one is disgusting, the Republicans who primaried McCain in because it "was his turn" scare the living **** out of me.


    7% doesn't impress you, fine. Accepted. So now that we have that cleared up, let's talk about the GOP. I understand why McCain lost, what I want to know is why the Republicans got behind him. In what amounted to a three way race for the candidacy he took nearly half the popular votes and over 70% of the delegates. My point here is that there is a very profound shift taking place in the Republican party towards a more moderate stance. It's the conservatives like Limbaugh who are in a bind here. The majority of your party went in the opposite direction in this last election. We see a distinction now in the GOP. A very moderate guy like McCain beat the crap out of two conservatives within the Grand Ole Party. How does that happen exactly if not for a noticeable change in posture by American Republicans?
    7% to Obama should be a wakeup call to the GOP, in America he should have had little chance of beating a more conservative candidate, however, McCain wasn't close enough to conservative to please us in the base, which meant we would have had to compromise our values again and reward the party for more of the S.O.S. many conservatives were not willing to compromise this time although I wanted to wait out Obama because of the potential to appoint a couple of SCOTUS justices and an extremely friendly house. The part I bolded, Limbaugh and the rest of us as conservatives aren't the one's in a bind here, think about it this way, only a handful of the RINO Republicans survived the last election, that's not just a party purge, that's an enema of grand scale, the party is in a bind, not conservatives since we got the point across quickly and loudly and the conservative Republicans overall took their districts handily and are not in immediate danger.

    There certainly is a change taking place. But it's for the Republican party to work out. Until it decides what it's new identity is, moderate or conservative, the Democrats will hold sway.
    I cannot argue this point, you are correct in the assessment. However going moderate would be a mistake if the values we fight hardest for are the one's we compromise, McCain is a noble guy, the problem is our deepest core values were some of the issues he seemed to be on the wrong side of.
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