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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'd say Obama getting 52% of the vote,
    A respectable margin by historical Presidential elections.
    McCain losing by running as a "centrist" with a heavy history of leaning left,
    And McCain was chosen by the GOP by a large majority based upon his platform. More Republicans voted for McCain in primaries despite his stance on the issues. Which is my point. All that talk of Hillary and Obama fracturing the Democratic party was just a distraction from where the real fracturing took place. As I said, the conservative influence in the Republican party is shrinking much to the benefit of the Democrats.
    and Democrats winning because of Republican government increases and expenditures out of line with conservative values spoke volumes.
    Democrats won because of the awful mess GWB and the neo-cons made of this nation over eight years. The people were sick of it and they spoke very loudly. They were galvanized by eight years of misery and the arrival of a great orator in Obama. The GOP couldn't get on message and it showed. I think a large number of conservatives actually did go to the polls and voted for McCain simply out of party loyalty. They sure did down here where I'm at, we had a historically consistent conservative voter turn out for McCain. I believe the idea of conservative voters sitting out or voting third party is deliberately misleading. It's the conservatives doing damage control to cover for their loss of influence in their party. That's what I think because there is absolutely no proof that there was a conservative "protest" at the polls.

    To the point, Limbaugh and Hannity were staunch apologists for Bush's lackluster performance. They were actually cheerleaders. What did the GOP do to Bush during the election? They abandoned him. Why? Because despite it all, they knew how much his administration had cost them and they knew any sign of allegiance to what had become the image of the Republican party under his leadership would cost them the election. But the whole time Limbaugh and Hannity (and others) were there supporting what he was doing. So you really think Limbaugh is the guy for the job?

    What does it say about the state of the party when you have such division at the very core? The majority went more towards moderate, centrist McCain and left the further right conservatives on their own. What does this say about conservative influence in the GOP?

    Well, you have four years to try and regain control of your party. We'll see.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    A respectable margin by historical Presidential elections.
    Very true, it was a clear and honest win. My point is that with more Democrat voters showing up this election and the true conservatives of the Republican party abstaining from voting GOP in large blocks Barak Obama was the inevitable winner and the Republicans cost themselves a victory, by shunning conservatives.

    And McCain was chosen by the GOP by a large majority based upon his platform. More Republicans voted for McCain in primaries despite his stance on the issues. Which is my point. All that talk of Hillary and Obama fracturing the Democratic party was just a distraction from where the real fracturing took place. As I said, the conservative influence in the Republican party is shrinking much to the benefit of the Democrats.
    Part of that was crossover votes from other partys in open primary states, the other part is that some in the Republican party have this idea that people have a turn at being candidate. Both of those hopefully will stop.

    Democrats won because of the awful mess GWB and the neo-cons made of this nation over eight years.
    Part of the last decade were true screw ups, there were also many overstated issues that weren't so big in the long run. It's all about perception.
    The GOP couldn't get on message and it showed.
    That is correct
    I think a large number of conservatives actually did go to the polls and voted for McCain simply out of party loyalty.
    that is also correct
    I believe the idea of conservative voters sitting out or voting third party is deliberately misleading.
    I'm not sure, I would have voted Ron Paul or Bob Barr if I didn't think Obama was a potential problem, so it's hard to say.
    Well, you have four years to try and regain control of your party. We'll see.
    I think some good things are happening, hopefully we'll get some traction and swing back to where we need to be, conservative, I think though that the party will either purge itself of the moderates or fold.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    You know if the conservatives can put a good program together and get the right candidate to represent it, I'd welcome the opportunity to hear what they have to say.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well, then why don't you show me where the Democrats are going to kill the American dream then. Start with some examples and logically lead me to the disaster that is sure to come.
    Disaster is your word, I'll just stick with my thought. I'm going to try to focus on what is right and good so that when I see bad coming over the horizon I will recognize it from afar.

    From afar I can see that allowing, or encouraging the idea that taking the private property from one citizen and giving it to another citizen, in the interest of fairness, is wrong. It doesn't matter that in the opinion of some, citizen (A) may have gained his wealth unethically, it is his and, if it wasn't illegal, it should remain his...fairness be damned. Our constitution does not give the federal government power to right this type of social inequality.

    Private property is sacred, it represents life itself in this way. When you take a portion of the limited time you have to live, and use it to earn,you should keep what you earn. To confiscate it for the purpose of 'spreading the wealth' is the same as taking part of your life.

    Equality can exist only in the sense of providing one citizen the same treatment afforded to all citizens, like due process rights. When it comes to material wealth a disparity in the distribution of wealth is actually helpful in the maintenance/growth of the economy, as long as no government entity steps in to pick winners. It is in seeing the wealth of others that we begin to desire the same for ourselves. Here's the nut, some people will work to (A)have it, and others will work to (B)deny it to the other fellow. It's my assertion that the people we have elected are catering to the (B) group.

    I don't know how long it would take for this to 'kill the American Dream' but it isn't in keeping with the spirit that made our country great.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagged N. View Post
    Disaster is your word, I'll just stick with my thought. I'm going to try to focus on what is right and good so that when I see bad coming over the horizon I will recognize it from afar.

    From afar I can see that allowing, or encouraging the idea that taking the private property from one citizen and giving it to another citizen, in the interest of fairness, is wrong. It doesn't matter that in the opinion of some, citizen (A) may have gained his wealth unethically, it is his and, if it wasn't illegal, it should remain his...fairness be damned. Our constitution does not give the federal government power to right this type of social inequality.

    Private property is sacred, it represents life itself in this way. When you take a portion of the limited time you have to live, and use it to earn,you should keep what you earn. To confiscate it for the purpose of 'spreading the wealth' is the same as taking part of your life.



    Equality can exist only in the sense of providing one citizen the same treatment afforded to all citizens, like due process rights. When it comes to material wealth a disparity in the distribution of wealth is actually helpful in the maintenance/growth of the economy, as long as no government entity steps in to pick winners. It is in seeing the wealth of others that we begin to desire the same for ourselves. Here's the nut, some people will work to (A)have it, and others will work to (B)deny it to the other fellow. It's my assertion that the people we have elected are catering to the (B) group.

    I don't know how long it would take for this to 'kill the American Dream' but it isn't in keeping with the spirit that made our country great.
    Sounds basically like "I got mine...get yours" in more words

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Sounds basically like "I got mine...get yours" in more words
    As opposed to I got mine and now I want some of yours?
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagged N. View Post
    From afar I can see that allowing, or encouraging the idea that taking the private property from one citizen and giving it to another citizen, in the interest of fairness, is wrong. .
    The airwaves that Limbaugh broadcasts on are not private property any more than the oxygen you breath are.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The airwaves that Limbaugh broadcasts on are not private property any more than the oxygen you breath are.
    There was no discussion of airwaves. ?? And you can have my oxygen as soon as I'm done with it.
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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagged N. View Post
    There was no discussion of airwaves. ?? And you can have my oxygen as soon as I'm done with it.
    There was discussion of Limbaugh as well as private property. Limbaugh makes his money off of PUBLIC PROPERTY.

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    Re: Limbaugh Rallies Conservatives to Fight Democrats, Find 'Right Candidate'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    A respectable margin by historical Presidential elections.
    I suppose that depends on your definition of 'respectable margin.' Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan (twice), George H.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton (once) all won by greater margins. And some of them by hugely greater margins. Obama's victory might be respectable. But it's certainly not pushing any records. In fact, at 7%, it's barely even 'average.' Maybe a little less than average.



    And McCain was chosen by the GOP by a large majority based upon his platform. More Republicans voted for McCain in primaries despite his stance on the issues. Which is my point.
    That sounds like two different points. Was McCain chosen because of his platform or in spite of it?

    Democrats won because of the awful mess GWB and the neo-cons made of this nation over eight years. The people were sick of it and they spoke very loudly. They were galvanized by eight years of misery and the arrival of a great orator in Obama. The GOP couldn't get on message and it showed.
    If the nation were truly in as awful a mess as you describe, then why didn't Obama, the great orator, win a landslide victory on the order of magnitude as shown in the chart above? McCain was, by all accounts, the most uncharismatic, unpersuasive, unconvincing, and unlikely candidate the GOP could muster. He ran, by most accounts, an incredibly disorganized and sloppy campaign. The country was in the middle of an unpopular war, and suddenly faced with a huge and unprecedented financial 'crisis.' Yet still, Obama's margin of victory was less than average. Again, refer to the chart. Where does 7% fall? Not impressive.

    No sea change in ideology going on here folks. Lots of wishful thinking. Which is fine!


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