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    U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Why isn't the US government getting at the source of 'this' gun problem on the US Mexico border?

    People have asked what should we do about the Mexican drug lords who cross over into the states and promote violence. Shouldn't we also ask why is it that US gun dealers sells weapons to Mexicans during times that Mexico has become a dangerous problem for the US?




    U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels - International Herald Tribune

    U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels
    By James C. McKinley Jr.
    Published: February 26, 2009

    PHOENIX, Arizona: The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the firepower that greeted them.

    When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy store here called X-Caliber Guns.

    Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges that he sold scores of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers who supplied a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa, fueling the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.

    The Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers were arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago that it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border.

    It also offers a glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and used in horrific crimes.

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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    We can not ban the 2nd amendment to Mexicans and Mexican looking people just because some scumbags are coming over the border to purchase fire arms. The solution is to secure the border. A secured border means no one will be able sneak back and forth across the border. The fact scum in Mexico are using firearms from our gun dealers is irrelevant. Because most likely since these people are foreign nationals who are buying these firearms a back ground check is going to be useless,since most people are not criminal scum they should not be basically forced to ask the government to exercise something they have a right to.


    As for the government not addressing the border problem it is because addressing the border problem would mean they would have to actually do their damn job to secure the border. Those in office want illegals to exploit for dirt cheap labor or they hope they can give these people amnesty for cheap votes or they hope for cheap votes from those that harbor illegals here in the US.
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Yes, it must be stopped, but perhaps the Mexican govt can stop the drug trade on their side of the border thus reducing the need for those guns? If it wasn't for corrupt law enforcement in Mexico. a lot less drugs would be smuggled in to the USA.
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by OutoftheBox View Post
    Why isn't the US government getting at the source of 'this' gun problem on the US Mexico border?

    People have asked what should we do about the Mexican drug lords who cross over into the states and promote violence. Shouldn't we also ask why is it that US gun dealers sells weapons to Mexicans during times that Mexico has become a dangerous problem for the US?




    U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels - International Herald Tribune

    U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels
    By James C. McKinley Jr.
    Published: February 26, 2009

    PHOENIX, Arizona: The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the firepower that greeted them.

    When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy store here called X-Caliber Guns.

    Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges that he sold scores of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers who supplied a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa, fueling the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.


    The Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers were arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago that it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border.

    It also offers a glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and used in horrific crimes.




    i think something IS being done.



    Or are you suggesting we do something about my guns?
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    i think something IS being done.

    Or are you suggesting we do something about my guns?
    I'm pretty sure he suggested that there is something clearly wrong with the system when non-U.S. citizens[Hatuey's add on : who according to some of the same people who are most likely to oppose giving constitutional rights to people in Gbay] are buying guns[Hatuey's add on 2 : under a constitutional right that does not apply to them]. But this argument can go both ways.
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm pretty sure he suggested that there is something clearly wrong with the system when non-U.S. citizens[Hatuey's add on : who according to some of the same people who are most likely to oppose giving constitutional rights to people in Gbay] are buying guns[Hatuey's add on 2 : under a constitutional right that does not apply to them]. But this argument can go both ways.



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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Just out of interest how does the 2nd amendment apply to foreigners? What is the current jurisprudence in regards to the issue? Does the use of guns by foreigners differ from state to state?

    I'm interested because my mate, visited the States last October and went to an indoor shooting range in Los Vagas. They took some photos of him firing the guns, and he brought home the tattered targets. But he was so wrapped at firing a gun that he didn't ask how what is the law in relation to foreigners actually owning guns.

    Secondly if the the 2nd amendment is unclear on this issue, are there any contextual, or historical arguments; legal or non-legal that state whether or not the founding fathers wanted gun-rights to be granted to all U.S citizens or to any person living, traveling, residing, or working within a U.S state?

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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The left all gave them rights..... sucks.
    What? You're saying the left gave illegal aliens the rights to buy guns in the U.S.? Okay, can you cite the legislation because I'm not familiar with that.
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The left all gave them rights..... sucks.
    So then you also support giving people in Gbay constitutional rights? Right?
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Yes, it must be stopped, but perhaps the Mexican govt can stop the drug trade on their side of the border thus reducing the need for those guns? If it wasn't for corrupt law enforcement in Mexico. a lot less drugs would be smuggled in to the USA.
    Actually Mexico tried to do exactly that a few years ago. They wanted to legalize ALL drugs for personal use, which would've crippled the cartels. But they suddenly had a change of heart as soon as the Bush Administration began pressuring them to reverse the policy.

    Hopefully Obama will be more sensible about the war on drugs...but we'll see.
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