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U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

WillRockwell said:
Do you deny that semi-automatic weapons can be converted into automatic weapons?
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Some of them CAN be... with the proper machine tools... and skill... and parts... and the willingness to commit a federal felony.

Tell us:
Where is the "automatic override" on an AR15?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is not ignorance, this is a lie..... what the hell are you talking about..... :lol::roll:
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I disagree. It -is- ignorace - he doesnt have a clue as to what he is talking about.

For it to be a lie, he'd have to know his statement is false. He doesn't know enough to know that.
 
Gibberish said:
The gun dealer can't stop himself from illegally selling guns if he's not able to actually check if that person is legally capable of buying a gun, since checking would be an infringement of a right to those that are legally capable of buying.
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You do not know how the gun buying proccess works do you?


google "nics check"
 
Goobieman said:
I disagree. It -is- ignorace - he doesnt have a clue as to what he is talking about.

For it to be a lie, he'd have to know his statement is false. He doesn't know enough to know that.
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I think he knows. why would you make such an outlandish statement so specificlly false?
 
WillRockwell said:
Do you deny that semi-automatic weapons can be converted into automatic weapons?
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please link me to an "automatic override"



sure by purchasing nfa registered parts. but one would need an ffl to do this..... and in essence changing the internals of the weapon. Not easy to do. and if you have all the forms to do this, you would have bought the nfa weapon in the 1st place.


it is cost prohibitive.
 
Goobieman said:
Some of them CAN be... with the proper machine tools... and skill... and parts... and the willingness to commit a federal felony.

Tell us:
Where is the "automatic override" on an AR15?
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Its the BIG knob on the front of the A3.
 
jamesrage said:
We can not ban the 2nd amendment to Mexicans and Mexican looking people just because some scumbags are coming over the border to purchase fire arms. The solution is to secure the border. A secured border means no one will be able sneak back and forth across the border. The fact scum in Mexico are using firearms from our gun dealers is irrelevant. Because most likely since these people are foreign nationals who are buying these firearms a back ground check is going to be useless,since most people are not criminal scum they should not be basically forced to ask the government to exercise something they have a right to.


As for the government not addressing the border problem it is because addressing the border problem would mean they would have to actually do their damn job to secure the border. Those in office want illegals to exploit for dirt cheap labor or they hope they can give these people amnesty for cheap votes or they hope for cheap votes from those that harbor illegals here in the US.
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Actually, the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to non-residents. Also ... people selling guns to drug lords, raqueteers, or other criminals, must be held accountable.

Furthermore, selling automatic weapons is a no-no... unless the seller has a firearms license and the seller is authorized to purchase.
 
Vader said:
Furthermore, selling automatic weapons is a no-no... unless the seller has a firearms license and the seller is authorized to purchase.
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Aren't the laws which mandate this gross violations of the Second Amendment? I certainly think they are, and I don't hold the Constitution with near as much reverence as you do.
 
I'm still looking for the automatic override on my EBR.

:D

No really, I am.


I'd like to know at what gun dealer I can buy full auto m60s, 30mm grenades, and launchers... along with hand grenades.

I'd totally go pick some up for the zombie apocolypse. :)
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Can't declare war on 8% of international commerce.

I don't think decriminalization will do enough to undercut the cartels. We would need full legalization, at least of certain drugs, coupled with purity and dosage standards and tax licensing. The cartels may be rich and organized, but I'd like to see them try to play their little games with the likes of RJ Reynolds or Philip Morris.

Between saving money on enforcement and the tax revenue, I think it would generate sufficient revenue to fund aggressive public awareness campaigns and rehab programs.
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Quite the argument; let's eliminate crime by making the illegal activity legal.

If we make murder legal, we would reduce a significant level of crime as well; then with all the savings the Government would have laying off police officers and border officers, we can pay down some of the trillions in debt the socialism of Obamanomics will cost us.

Absurd you say comparing murder to legitimizing drugs? I would beg to disagree; heroine and cocaine kill, albeit not as expeditiously, as surely as a gun would.

This idea is like putting a gun to every American's head and saying just pull the trigger when you feel the need to. Do you think that legalizing Cocaine and Heroine is a GOOD idea? Do you think it will actually reduce crime?

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Korimyr the Rat said:
Aren't the laws which mandate this gross violations of the Second Amendment? I certainly think they are, and I don't hold the Constitution with near as much reverence as you do.
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The 2nd Amendment was designed to protect the American public from being inslaved by the government.

The 2nd Amendment was not created to protect gun dealers who sell automatic weapons to drug cartels.

I don't have an issue with Americans owning semi-automatic weapons of ANY variety. I draw the line when people begin selling automatic weapons to drug cartels, terrorists, or criminals in general.
 
Truth Detector said:
Quite the argument; let's eliminate crime by making the illegal activity legal.
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You make it sound like repealing ineffective, rights-infringing laws is a bad thing. "If you don't like the law, don't break it; change it."

If we make murder legal, we would reduce a significant level of crime as well; then with all the savings the Government would have laying off police officers and border officers, we can pay down some of the trillions in debt the socialism of Obamanomics will cost us.
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No. There is no comparison between legalizing murder (a crime which robs an individual of his most fundamental right) and legalizing drug use (a victimless "crime"). The money should be returned to the taxpayer.

Absurd you say comparing murder to legitimizing drugs? I would beg to disagree; heroine and cocaine kill, albeit not as expeditiously, as surely as a gun would.
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Wrong. It's an irritating cliche now, but it's true: guns don't kill people, people do. Drugs don't kill people, people kill themselves with drugs. Get back to me when cocaine spontaneously animates and jumps up somebody's nose.

This idea is like putting a gun to every American's head and saying just pull the trigger when you feel the need to.
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Way to take a reasonable argument and spin it into hyperbolic insanity.

Do you think that legalizing Cocaine and Heroine is a GOOD idea? Do you think it will actually reduce crime?
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Yes and yes.
 
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BulletWounD said:
You make it sound like repealing ineffective, rights-infringing laws is a bad thing. "If you don't like the law, don't break it; change it."

No. There is no comparison between legalizing murder (a crime which robs an individual of his most fundamental right) and legalizing drug use (a victimless "crime"). The money should be returned to the taxpayer.

Wrong. It's an irritating cliche now, but it's true: guns don't kill people, people do. Drugs don't kill people, people kill themselves with drugs. Get back to me when cocaine spontaneously animates and jumps up somebody's nose.

Way to take a reasonable argument and spin it into hyperbolic insanity.

Yes and yes.
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How ironic watching you suggests that legalizing heroine and cocaine is "reasonable" and “victimless.”

Although this post was your first, one can only hope it will be your last with this kind of lunatic rant.
 
Truth Detector said:
How ironic watching you suggests that legalizing heroine and cocaine is "reasonable" and “victimless.”
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It is a victimless crime. If someone wants to knowingly subject their body to abuse, who are you to tell them that they cannot?

Victim(n) - One that is acted on and adversely affected by a force or agent

Although this post was your first, one can only hope it will be your last with this kind of lunatic rant.
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Now that is ironic. :lol:
 
Truth Detector said:
How ironic watching you suggests that legalizing heroine and cocaine is "reasonable" and “victimless.”

Although this post was your first, one can only hope it will be your last with this kind of lunatic rant.
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Protip: When one party of a debate disregards the arguments of his adversary and resorts to personal attacks it's a a clear sign of defeat.
 
EgoffTib said:
It is a victimless crime. If someone wants to knowingly subject their body to abuse, who are you to tell them that they cannot?

Victim(n) - One that is acted on and adversely affected by a force or agent
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I see, so when a drug addict robs a house to support his habit, there are no victims. When a drug addict spends a family’s life savings on his habit, there are no victims. When a drug cartel trying to control the market on drugs murders police to prevent discovery, there are no victims. When a drug addict drives his vehicle into oncoming traffic, there are no victims.

The notion that legalizing heroine and cocaine will lead to less crime is about as hysterically absurd as suggesting that using heroine or cocaine only harms one's self.

Does anyone with a brain here think that legalizing these drugs will make them any more obtainable and that suddenly drug cartels will disappear? Does anyone here think that people stoned out of their minds wont attempt to drive their cars? Does anyone here think that just because the Government now taxes these substances they are no longer terribly harmful to society as a whole?

Carry on. :roll:
 
BulletWounD said:
Protip: When one party of a debate disregards the arguments of his adversary and resorts to personal attacks it's a a clear sign of defeat.
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You are right; I admit defeat because logic or reason has no place with someone who argues that substances that destroy humans like heroine and cocaine should be legalized. That is not reasoned or logical, it is lunatic.

You win, carry on. :roll:
 
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