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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    +1. That's the point I always talk about with the black market drug trade, there is a demand and supply, no law will invalidate that.
    Can't declare war on 8% of international commerce.

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    I don't think we should turn a blind eye to drug usage and addiction in this country by any means, but I think a more out of the box type of thinking along with decriminalization to an extent would work wonders on many drug related fronts.
    I don't think decriminalization will do enough to undercut the cartels. We would need full legalization, at least of certain drugs, coupled with purity and dosage standards and tax licensing. The cartels may be rich and organized, but I'd like to see them try to play their little games with the likes of RJ Reynolds or Philip Morris.

    Between saving money on enforcement and the tax revenue, I think it would generate sufficient revenue to fund aggressive public awareness campaigns and rehab programs.

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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Um...
    If a licensed dealer is selling guns illegally, what new law will stop him?
    Seems to me that better enforcement of current laws will be sufficient.

    And the argument to unconstitutionally restrict the rights of law abiding Americans so as to reduce crime in Mexico?

    I havent heard anything that asinine since... well... EVER.
    The gun dealer can't stop himself from illegally selling guns if he's not able to actually check if that person is legally capable of buying a gun, since checking would be an infringement of a right to those that are legally capable of buying.
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The gun dealer can't stop himself from illegally selling guns if he's not able to actually check if that person is legally capable of buying a gun, since checking would be an infringement of a right to those that are legally capable of buying.
    And now, for a dose of reality:

    From the story:
    Smugglers routinely enlist Americans with clean criminal records to buy two or three rifles at a time, often from different shops, then transport them across the border in cars and trucks, hiding them in door panels or under the hood, law enforcement officials here said
    These things are already illegal, and background checks will not stop them.

    Never mind that THIS...
    Iknadosian is accused of being one of those dealers. So brazen was his operation that the smugglers paid him in advance for the guns and the straw buyers merely filled out the required paperwork and carried the weapons off,
    ... is something that NO amount of reatriction on the law abiding will EVER stop, as the dealer himself is willfully and knowingly breaking the law.

    As I said: Never has there been a more asinine idea.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 03-02-09 at 02:53 PM.

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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Toss out our absurd drug laws and cut off the profit flowing into Mexican cartel's hands.
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is not ignorance, this is a lie..... what the hell are you talking about.....
    Do you deny that semi-automatic weapons can be converted into automatic weapons?

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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Do you deny that semi-automatic weapons can be converted into automatic weapons?
    Some of them CAN be... with the proper machine tools... and skill... and parts... and the willingness to commit a federal felony.

    Tell us:
    Where is the "automatic override" on an AR15?

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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is not ignorance, this is a lie..... what the hell are you talking about.....
    I disagree. It -is- ignorace - he doesnt have a clue as to what he is talking about.

    For it to be a lie, he'd have to know his statement is false. He doesn't know enough to know that.

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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The gun dealer can't stop himself from illegally selling guns if he's not able to actually check if that person is legally capable of buying a gun, since checking would be an infringement of a right to those that are legally capable of buying.



    You do not know how the gun buying proccess works do you?


    google "nics check"
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I disagree. It -is- ignorace - he doesnt have a clue as to what he is talking about.

    For it to be a lie, he'd have to know his statement is false. He doesn't know enough to know that.



    I think he knows. why would you make such an outlandish statement so specificlly false?
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    Re: U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Do you deny that semi-automatic weapons can be converted into automatic weapons?



    please link me to an "automatic override"



    sure by purchasing nfa registered parts. but one would need an ffl to do this..... and in essence changing the internals of the weapon. Not easy to do. and if you have all the forms to do this, you would have bought the nfa weapon in the 1st place.


    it is cost prohibitive.
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