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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    The only way this is "dumb" is if the collected permit fees are used to clean up the mess that the companies cause. Until viable alternatives are created for mass implementation, this is a good first step. Companies should not be able to pollute without some kind of consequence... the U.S. is not China.

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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The only way this is "dumb" is if the collected permit fees are used to clean up the mess that the companies cause. Until viable alternatives are created for mass implementation, this is a good first step. Companies should not be able to pollute without some kind of consequence... the U.S. is not China.
    U.S. companies by and far don't pollute like China anyway.

    This tax has nothing to do with the environment, it's like speeding tickets completely for revenue generation.
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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    U.S. companies by and far don't pollute like China anyway.

    This tax has nothing to do with the environment, it's like speeding tickets completely for revenue generation.
    Speeding tickets might generate revenue, but they also save lives by forcing people to slow down.
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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Speeding tickets might generate revenue, but they also save lives by forcing people to slow down.
    For the most part the only people who drive slow are old people and everyone when a cop is around otherwise everyone goes the fastest speed most comfortable to them.

    Slow drivers are more dangerous in my opinion.
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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    U.S. companies by and far don't pollute like China anyway.

    This tax has nothing to do with the environment, it's like speeding tickets completely for revenue generation.
    You do know that China and the U.S. are the world's biggest polluters, right?

    China only surpassed the U.S. to the #1 spot a year or so ago.

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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You do know that China and the U.S. are the world's biggest polluters, right?

    China only surpassed the U.S. to the #1 spot a year or so ago.
    I very curious as to how they measure such an unmeasurable thing as pollution.

    I could be wrong but is it even remotely possible to measure how much one country like ours or china's even puts out. Taking samples and applying it based on population won't work because of all the differences everywhere in our nation.

    I don't buy it, I read another news story saying about 60 billion (I think) of the revenue is going to fund middle and lower income tax credits.

    It sounds like a revenue generator for pet projects.
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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I very curious as to how they measure such an unmeasurable thing as pollution.

    I could be wrong but is it even remotely possible to measure how much one country like ours or china's even puts out. Taking samples and applying it based on population won't work because of all the differences everywhere in our nation.
    Here are some basics on the matter. A lot of it is judged based on how a country produces energy for its population.

    Just because you don't understand the science doesn't mean it isn't true.

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    Re: McCain Says Obama’s Climate Plan Faces Tough Road in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Here are some basics on the matter. A lot of it is judged based on how a country produces energy for its population.

    Just because you don't understand the science doesn't mean it isn't true.
    I didn't say it wasn't true for sure, but questioning there methods of data collection.

    I'm a voluntary environmental type. I do things in my life to treat our environment well.

    Making companies pay more while we are recovering from a recession isn't a good idea at the moment.

    I'd also say that a lot of our pollution problems are from individuals, especially people who throw **** out of their window on to the side of the road.

    I can't stand that.
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