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    Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    The Vatican said Friday that the apology issued by an ultraconservative bishop who denied the Holocaust was not good enough to admit him into the Catholic Church as a clergyman.

    Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said Bishop Richard Williamson's statement "doesn't appear to respect the conditions" the Vatican set out for him.

    In an interview broadcast last month on Swedish state TV, Williamson denied 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, saying 200,000 or 300,000 were murdered. He said none were gassed.

    Williamson apologized for his remarks on Thursday, saying he would never have made them if he had known "the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise."
    The Society of St. Pius X has distanced itself from Williamson's remarks and removed him as the director of its seminary in La Reja, Argentina.

    The Switzerland-based society was formed in 1969 by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, opposed to the liberalizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council, particularly its outreach to Jews.
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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

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    Brother in Christ be damned. He wasn't born a bishop.
    Hatuey--why you have such a hard-on for the Vatican?

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Hatuey--why you have such a hard-on for the Vatican?
    Bishop Williamson did not stipulate that he is in error in regards to the Holocaust.

    What he did instead was apologize for... vocalizing his viewpoint.

    The two different actions above are not equivalent.

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Hatuey--why you have such a hard-on for the Vatican?
    What does this have to do with the topic?
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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    Brother in Christ be damned. He wasn't born a bishop.
    And he wasn't ex-communicated for anything having to do with the Holocaust. Of course, that fact doesn't deter those who have an irrational hatred for the Church of Christ as embodied in the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Bishop Williamson did not stipulate that he is in error in regards to the Holocaust.

    What he did instead was apologize for... vocalizing his viewpoint.

    The two different actions above are not equivalent.
    But as he was not ex-communicated for Holocaust denial, it is not relevant to his being re-communicated. It is simply manufactured by certain elements of the Jewish lobby and those who hate the Catholic Church, like Hatuey.
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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Bishop Williamson did not stipulate that he is in error in regards to the Holocaust.

    What he did instead was apologize for... vocalizing his viewpoint.

    The two different actions above are not equivalent.
    Do you have a problem with the Church's actions on this? I recognize, and agree with what you say above. Hatuey is simply trying to find fault with the Church from every angle.

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Do you have a problem with the Church's actions on this? I recognize, and agree with what you say above. Hatuey is simply trying to find fault with the Church from every angle.
    I'm not Hatuey. But from my perspective, Holocaust-revisionism from a Catholic Bishop is not an insignificant 'angle'. I find it shocking and disgusting.

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I find it shocking and disgusting.
    So does the Vatican--That's why they are not letting him act as a bishop. He was "illicitly ordained"--The Catholic Sacrament of ordination is not something that can be "taken back," it marks the soul eternally. The Bishop that ordained Williams was validly ordained--he was ordained in a direct line from the Apostles. However, he went into schism and Williams was ordained when he was acting outside the Church. Still, the ordination is "valid, but not licit." It's like men who decide they don't want to act as a priest anymore don't become "ex-priests," one is a priest forever once ordained as such. They are "laicized." but they are still a priest, just not able to act as such. Likewise, this guy is a "bishop" but not able to act as one.

    Did you read the article? It seems pretty clear in the article that the Vatican is not impressed.
    Last edited by Felicity; 02-28-09 at 10:44 AM.

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I'm not Hatuey. But from my perspective, Holocaust-revisionism from a Catholic Bishop is not an insignificant 'angle'. I find it shocking and disgusting.
    Felicity has already said most of what I wanted to say.

    Tashah, you know very well that I, like most devout Catholics, am strongly pro-Jewish and pro-Israel. I think denial of the Holocaust is disgusting and I similarly praise the Church for its work in saving an estimated 800,000 from the Nazis during World War II.

    However, as Felicity said, the sacrament of Holy Orders can NOT be rescinded. Just as the sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Marriage can not be rescinded. These later three are only done ONCE in the lifetime of a Catholic. Holy Orders can be received (like the other three sacraments of Eucharist, Reconcilation, and Last Rites) multiple times. NONE of these sacraments can be cancelled AFTER they have been given. They can only be denied before they are granted.
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