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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Felicity has already said most of what I wanted to say.

    Tashah, you know very well that I, like most devout Catholics, am strongly pro-Jewish and pro-Israel. I think denial of the Holocaust is disgusting and I similarly praise the Church for its work in saving an estimated 800,000 from the Nazis during World War II.

    However, as Felicity said, the sacrament of Holy Orders can NOT be rescinded. Just as the sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Marriage can not be rescinded. These later three are only done ONCE in the lifetime of a Catholic. Holy Orders can be received (like the other three sacraments of Eucharist, Reconcilation, and Last Rites) multiple times. NONE of these sacraments can be cancelled AFTER they have been given. They can only be denied before they are granted.
    I know your stance on Israel ludahai, and it is greatly appreciated.

    I admit that I know very little of Catholic rules and regulations. What I do know, is that I have no wish to see your church tainted by this person.

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Where is "freedom of expression?"

    One has the right to agree or disagree with any historical event as long as the historical event shows lots of failures in order to be proved as accurate without doubts.

    It is sad the current and ridiculous tendency that because someone disagrees with the killing of "millions" of Jews as being true must be a reason to be "discriminated".

    All this pressure to make believe that such killing of millions of people with use of gas really happened enforces the idea that this event might not be true and there are special interests manipulating the media and the authorities to impose their version as being the only true.

    And the lovers of freedom of speech simply say: hell with that!

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    -- as long as the historical event shows lots of failures in order to be proved as accurate without doubts--
    What does that even begin to mean?

    I'm also interested to see you surface on another thread about a holocaust denier...

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    Where is "freedom of expression?"


    Well look who shows up in this thread. DPs very own Williamson.

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    -- DPs very own Williamson.
    Nah, it's David Irving in disguise..

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    What I do know, is that I have no wish to see your church tainted by this person.
    Our Church believes all sinners can be redeemed, and while there is breath, there is hope.

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    Re: Vatican: bishop's apology on Holocaust not enough

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I know your stance on Israel ludahai, and it is greatly appreciated.

    I admit that I know very little of Catholic rules and regulations. What I do know, is that I have no wish to see your church tainted by this person.
    I don't wish it to be tainted by him either, and the response by both the Vatican and the government of Argentina to this point has been both measured and appropriate.

    The lifting of ex-communication was to heal a rift of schism which is internal to the Church, and had nothing to do with alleged anti-Semitism or Shoah-denial. However, as Felicity pointed out, he has not been permited to resume duties as a bishop because of this row to this point. This is mostly a non-issue that has been blown out of proportion by people who have an irrational hatred for the Church.
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