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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    And then, being she was a Pro-Life activist, she would turn around and sue them claiming she was fired not due to performance, but rather due to her personal beliefs coming into conflict with what the asked her to do.

    Its just a very bad idea to have these kinds of authoritarian dictates being placed upon private enterprises. Their was nothing wrong with the protections that were in place before.
    To me, there would be a problem with authoritarian dictates being placed upon the personal lives of private citizens, were the conscience rule rescinded. And these dictates would not just be placed upon those at abortion clinics. Health care workers at hospitals and doctors offices in general would be affected too, which would make having to choose between faith and work. This is something that I find repugnant, and I reject it outright.
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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To me, there would be a problem with authoritarian dictates being placed upon the personal lives of private citizens, were conscience rule rescinded. And these dictates would not just be placed upon those at abortion clinics. Health care workers at hospitals and doctors offices in general would be affected.
    The law already protects healthcare workers and doctors from being forced to perform services like abortions if they violate that individuals conscience. That protection was already in place, as well as it should be.

    As was pointed out earlier though.

    "Its one thing to say that doctors should not be forced to perform abortions.

    Its another thing to say that medical organizations should be forced to hire or keep doctors who refuse to perform abortions."

    That goes well beyond protecting the rights of the individual. For example, why should Planned Parenthood have to hire someone that has a personal and religious objection to contraceptives and abortion? That would be like forcing the church to ordain atheists.
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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    I think it should be up to the employer as to whether a "conscience rule" exists at all in his work place. If you have a bad conscience about what your employer does, don't work for that employer.

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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The law already protects healthcare workers and doctors from being forced to perform services like abortions if they violate that individuals conscience. That protection was already in place, as well as it should be.

    As was pointed out earlier though.

    "Its one thing to say that doctors should not be forced to perform abortions.

    Its another thing to say that medical organizations should be forced to hire or keep doctors who refuse to perform abortions."

    That goes well beyond protecting the rights of the individual. For example, why should Planned Parenthood have to hire someone that has a personal and religious objection to contraceptives and abortion? That would be like forcing the church to ordain atheists.
    But they would still be forced to refer the patient to someone who DOES have abortion services available, and to many, that is the same as actually doing them.
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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    But they would still be forced to refer the patient to someone who DOES have abortion services available, and to many, that is the same as actually doing them.
    Well, then they should work to amend the constitution to grant personhood to the unborn, and there by establish a legal justification for banning abortion - rather than the typical authoritarian / theocratic crap they usually try such as this "conscience rule".

    Abortion is legal. Contraceptives are legal. If a company provides a legal service, then they should not have to employ individuals that refuse to provide that legal service.
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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    It should also be a companies place to not sell legal items either. If a pharmacy wishes to not sell certain contraceptives it should be up to them to not sell it. Likewise, much of what the conscience rule did could be handled through private contract. If you're going to be a doctor in an abortion clinic, you should expect to maybe have to perform an abortion or assist on one. If for some reason you still want to work there and don't want to do it, then you'll have to negotiate that contract prior to employment.
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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    Who does abortions? Is it like, a separate job, or do all doctors have the ability/authority to do it?

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    Re: Obama administration may rescind 'conscience rule'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I doubt the rule reads like that.
    actually, it reads pretty much exactly like that. you could always read it yourself.

    Sec. 88.2 Definitions

    Assist in the Performance means to participate in any activity with a reasonable connection to a procedure, health service or health service program, or research activity, so long as the individual involved is a part of the workforce of a Department-funded entity. This includes counseling, referral, training, and other arrangements for the procedure, health service, or research activity.
    Sec. 88.3 Applicability.

    (f)(1) Any entity, including a State or local government, that receives a grant, contract, loan, or loan guarantee under the Public Health Service Act, the Community Mental Health Centers Act, or the Developmental Disabilities Assistance and Bill of Rights Act of 2000, must comply with Sec. Sec. 88.4(c)(1) and 88.5.
    Sec. 88.4 Requirements and prohibitions.

    (c) Entities to whom this paragraph (c) applies shall not:

    (1) Discriminate against any physician or other health care professional in the employment, promotion, termination, or extension of staff or other privileges because he performed or assisted in the performance, or refused to perform or assist in the performance of a lawful sterilization procedure or abortion on the grounds that doing so would be contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions, or because of his religious beliefs or moral convictions concerning abortions or sterilization procedures themselves
    In other words, recipients of grants under Title X of the Public Health Service Act such as Planned Parenthood, may not discriminate against any physician or other health care professional in the employment, promotion, or termination, or extension of staff or other privileges because they refused to perform or assist in the performance of an abortion on the grounds that doing so would be contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions.

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