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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by cascadian View Post
    Now, the whitewashing in this speech is another matter, but nothing unexpected from a politician of any stripe. I'd take it over Bush admin fear mongering any day.
    This is fascinating irony considering the Obama Adminstration/Democrat fear mongering of the American public to pass trillions in Government funded programs without a single debate about how to pay for it don't you think?

    I am afraid you would be hard pressed to convince me that the Bush Administration was “fear” mongering, but I would be happy to compare Obama’s “fear” mongering to your examples any day of the week. Unless of course you are going to argue that the Clinton Administration and many senior Democrats in the Congress were doing the identical "fear" mongering when they argued for passage of the Patriot Acts and Joint Resolution on Iraq.
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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Under Bush the troops success was recognized, applauded, and celebrated.

    Under Obama the troops success is ignored, belittled, and **** on.

    That is the primary difference..and it matters more then anything else.
    Of course for one to believe the above trite commentary, one would have to live on planet denial.

    The troops were RARELY if ever applauded and celebrated but rather denigrated; let's recap what Liberals, the liberal media and Democrats were saying the last 8 years: The war was mismanaged, we had lost the war, the troops were torturing innocents the troops were "going into Iraqi houses in the dark of night killing innocent Iraqi's,” etc etc etc.

    If this is applauding, I certainly am living in a parallel universe from you.

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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    You didn't read what I said. Or simply misunderstood it.

    What you said there I agree with...
    What you said is not in contradiction to what I said.
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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is fascinating irony considering the Obama Adminstration/Democrat fear mongering of the American public to pass trillions in Government funded programs without a single debate about how to pay for it don't you think?

    I am afraid you would be hard pressed to convince me that the Bush Administration was “fear” mongering, but I would be happy to compare Obama’s “fear” mongering to your examples any day of the week.
    Well since you don't think that Bush was fear mongering, it would be interesting to hear you differentiate the Obama administration's tactics vs the Bush admin's railroading to pass TARP before the election.

    If you don't believe that government intervention is necessary or prudent, then it will appear as fear mongering to you, but that's not the case with me. Also the financial emergency is real, unlike the supposed threat from Hussein.

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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011



    Here's something worth keeping in mind:



    Also:



    So when he said "all combat troops out in 16 months," what he actually meant was "most combat troops out in 19 months."

    And here's something I found amusing:





    Can anyone explain how Obama's timetable is in any way, shape or form different from Bush's? The only difference that I can see is that under Bush's plan, we would have to have every soldier out of Iraq by the end of 2011. Under this proposal, we'll still have 35-50k there on that date.
    I like to look at these decisions in the "what would the press have said if Bush did it" filter.

    If Bush said what Obama had, promised as Obama had, the press and the Lefties would be tearing him to shreds.

    The first line from them would be the good 'ol "Bush is a liar", and they would go on from there.
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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It's obvious isn't it? The troops stationed there will no longer be classified as combat troops.
    So what new name for these troops are the Democrats going to come up with? Protectors? Orderlies? Wait, how about Referees? Yea, that's the ticket, Dems.
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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I would love to see some examples to support this assertion.
    It's all tentative like I said. Plans can always change.

    I don't know how much planning went into it. Bush and Maliki made an agreement is what I thought, so they probably felt this would be a good projected time to pull out.

    There were a lot of setbacks with various strategies in Iraq along the way. Troop increases, then reductions, then increases. From wiki-pedia:
    A strategy is a plan of action designed to achieve a particular goal.
    Strategy is profoundly different from tactics. In military terms, tactics is concerned with the conduct of an engagement while strategy is concerned with how different engagements are linked. In other words, how a battle is fought is a matter of tactics: whether it should be fought at all is a matter of strategy.
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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So what new name for these troops are the Democrats going to come up with? Protectors? Orderlies? Wait, how about Referees? Yea, that's the ticket, Dems.
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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So what new name for these troops are the Democrats going to come up with? Protectors? Orderlies? Wait, how about Referees? Yea, that's the ticket, Dems.
    But they'll need combat troops to protect the protectors, no? Otherwise they'll get picked off.
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    Re: Officials: Obama to Leave Up to 50K Troops in Iraq Through 2011

    This is priceless. And did anybody hear what they are saying about the F-22 now on top of this? Hmmm...I wonder where people here would have heard such things over the last two years. Heed the lesson. I know what I'm talking about.
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