Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 40

Thread: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

  1. #11
    Passionate
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    03-07-11 @ 04:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    15,675

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    More complex than the rest of the country? So complex that for the first time in the history of ever that numbers and math don't really mean what they mean? Or is it just complex now because you are defending Biden?



    Wait, 3700 new jobs were created over the season and somehow 400 people a day losing their jobs isn't wrong anymore? Again, because it's Biden?
    I think nifty's point is more about the fact that Biden's comment wasn't necessarily "moron[ic]" like P/N claimed it was. It's a reasonable conclusion to make.

  2. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I think nifty's point is more about the fact that Biden's comment wasn't necessarily "moron[ic]" like P/N claimed it was. It's a reasonable conclusion to make.
    Wow. You guys become so forgiving of mis speaks when it isn't a republican president occasionally doing it.

  3. #13
    Passionate
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    03-07-11 @ 04:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    15,675

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Wow. You guys become so forgiving of mis speaks when it isn't a republican president occasionally doing it.
    I would be surprised if you can find a post of mine where I made fun of Bush's misspeaks. I hated it when they would do it to Quayle as well. It's rude, IMHO.

  4. #14
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    pfffft. you've just made an oversimplified false analogy. the employment picture in LA is a more complex one. the unemployment rate has gone up. the population has grown. people have lost Jobs. people have gained them. Biden asked a legitimate question. it was never answered. the "spin" was the response, to paint him as wrong. he wasn't.
    Don't be ridiculous.

    If a politician says "we've lost XXX jobs," what 99.999% of the population takes them to be saying and what they mean to be saying 99.999% of the time is that total employment has decreased by XXX. They're not saying "Despite the fact that employment has increased by YYYYYY, XXX people lost their jobs and that's sad."

    Biden ****ed up, it was an incredibly minor gaffe. Let it go (and that goes for both sides).
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  5. #15
    Too big to fail
    niftydrifty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Last Seen
    03-03-16 @ 03:20 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,725

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Don't be ridiculous.

    If a politician says "we've lost XXX jobs," what 99.999% of the population takes them to be saying and what they mean to be saying 99.999% of the time is that total employment has decreased by XXX. They're not saying "Despite the fact that employment has increased by YYYYYY, XXX people lost their jobs and that's sad."

    Biden ****ed up, it was an incredibly minor gaffe. Let it go (and that goes for both sides).
    why should I let it go that you've just twisted what he actually said, in order to (again) make a false analogy?

    Biden didn't say, "we've lost XXX jobs." he said "In Louisiana, there's 400 people a day losing their jobs. What's he doing? What's the answer?" you're ignoring the complex reality of employment in Lousiana right now.

    the situation is bad... and can't be revealed by adding or subtracting this from that. while people are coming into the state and finding seasonal work, the seasonal employees really can't offset, or cancel out, other dwindling industry. not to mention that the overall unemployment rate has actually increased.

    I'd rather be "ridiculous," than continue to oversimplify, misrepresent, candy-coat, and assume that most people would think the way I do.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=3227&dateline=1247527  127

  6. #16
    Too big to fail
    niftydrifty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Last Seen
    03-03-16 @ 03:20 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,725

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Wow. You guys become so forgiving of mis speaks when it isn't a republican president occasionally doing it.
    he didn't.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=3227&dateline=1247527  127

  7. #17
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    he didn't.
    Yeah...he did.

  8. #18
    Too big to fail
    niftydrifty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Last Seen
    03-03-16 @ 03:20 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,725

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    More complex than the rest of the country? So complex that for the first time in the history of ever that numbers and math don't really mean what they mean? Or is it just complex now because you are defending Biden?
    yes it is more complex. because the country, as a whole, doesn't have people returning to it from other places because there was a big natural disaster. nothing to do with Biden.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Wait, 3700 new jobs were created over the season and somehow 400 people a day losing their jobs isn't wrong anymore? Again, because it's Biden?
    did they lose their jobs? yes or no? again, from dude's article in the OP:

    The unemployment rate in Louisiana has gone up, from 5.3 to 5.9.
    why am I the only one highlighting this fact?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=3227&dateline=1247527  127

  9. #19
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    I wonder if Biden used his own thoughts.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  10. #20
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,998

    Re: Reality check for Vice President Joe Biden

    The context of his comment made it clear what he was meaning, that Jindal was saying what Obama and them were doing was wrong and wouldn't help jobs out and that he shouldn't have been saying that because his own state is doing bad in regards to jobs.

    He does this by highlighting that 400 people every day lose their job. Its political spin, because of course he uses a statistic that sounds bad without pointing out that there's been an actual growth of the amount of jobs available in LA during that time.

    Put it this way...

    In 6 months, if Obama comes out and say's his stimulus helped create 10,000 new jobs is it a fair and reasonable way to criticize him to say that 10,000 people lost their job every day during those 6 months and thus we shouldn't be taking advise from him?

    What if that 10,000 number is normal? What if that's actually lower than what it was previously.

    Biden's comment is WORTHLESS alone and is obvious, typical, idiotic political spin. Is 400 people per day better or worse than other states? Is it a rather normal amount of lost jobs per day for a state LA's size? Is that 400 a day actually BETTER than what it was when Jindal first came into power in the state? The statistic by itself is useless, worthless, and the information in this thread in part shows why.

    Did Biden misspeak? Its a matter of opinion, because his intent matters. If he was trying to say the 400 was a sign that they weren't creating jobs in LA, then he misspoke. If he was saying that because he knew they had been creating jobs but needed a number to insult and talk down Bobby Jindal, then he was just being a typical politician.

    And what do we say about being a typical politician Old Joe?

    "That's not Change; That's more of the same!"

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •