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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    In relation to the gun/death statistics posted a bit earlier, it would be interesting to correlate those statistics to other forms of violent crime in the same countries. For instance, in Canada, I believe the stabbing rate is much higher than in the U.S., and Canada's gun violence rate is much lower than the U.S. one.

    All this means is that if you remove access to one weapon, crime will compensate with another. The issue itself, I believe, is crime in general. How do you reduce the tendency to want to commit violent crime? Social programs? Tougher prison sentences? Educating the public? Etc.

    While I have issues with guns, I don't agree that eliminating them will necessarily stop murders and reduce violent crime.
    I can't find the gov't study that I read a while ago but as I said above when you look at Britain not only has knife crime greatly increased while guns have become more restricted but so has gun violence.

    Now there are various reasons for this and it no doubt has a lot to do with increased amounts of immigrant gangs like Albanian people smugglers and West Indians drugs gangs and intercity knifings, often again amongst immigrants populations but it is still very interesting.
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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Thank you for responding with maturity and decency.
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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    In relation to the gun/death statistics posted a bit earlier, it would be interesting to correlate those statistics to other forms of violent crime in the same countries. For instance, in Canada, I believe the stabbing rate is much higher than in the U.S., and Canada's gun violence rate is much lower than the U.S. one.
    I would like to see uniform standards of reporting myself, however each country's major reporting agencies have different criteria, that makes things a little tricky when comparing countries to one another when it comes down to what is a victim crime versus what is a self crime(suicide) versus what is a homicide, but committed in self defense as a last resort(justifyable) when discussing rates of violence.

    All this means is that if you remove access to one weapon, crime will compensate with another. The issue itself, I believe, is crime in general. How do you reduce the tendency to want to commit violent crime? Social programs? Tougher prison sentences? Educating the public? Etc.
    This is something I've pondered myself, what I have bolded is what I believe would be the million dollar answer, if someone could cure criminal and violent tendancies they would be very wealthy IMHO, and, I would support government spending on said answer and the treatments.
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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Well none of these weapons were around when the 2nd amendment was created. The right to bear arms seems like it could be rather vague in it's original implications as compared to what is out there today.
    Neither was CNN. Does the 1st amendment protect them?
    Neither was the telephone. Does the 4th amendment protect yours?

    I realize certain SWAT Teams and so forth carry assault type weapons when there is grave danger, but most policemen don't go to domestic disturbances with their assault weapons out in the open.
    Ok... and?

    I think the right to bear arms should be different in different arenas.
    Equal protection. The right applies to everyone, in the same way, everywhere they happen to be.

    Everyday citizens should be allowed to have guns and even high powered weapons within some standard of reason, but when it's all too lethal, it's too lethal. Mostly it's the nuts who usually do all the damage with the really high powered weapons.
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