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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post


    There is absolutely no reason why the government should know what guns I own, or what I do with them.. unless I am breaking the law. Then they're more than welcome to look at what I've got and what I'm doing.

    Until then, my private business is just that.. my private business.
    And as long as none of your weapons are not involved in crime the government will not know your business any more than they will know what is going on in your house which is on the tax rolls.

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Registering your guns does not infringe on your rights any more than yelling fire in a crowded theatre does. You can still have your guns.
    Registration places a preciondition on the exercise of the right to arms not inherent to that right. Thus, it is an infringement.

    Yelling fire in a theater, by comparison, is apples and oranges. In terms of the right to arms, it is equivelant to firing a gun into the air while inside a city.

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It was in the paper this morning
    I know. And thus, my 'desperate' comment.

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I know. And thus, my 'desperate' comment.
    If I thought it was worth the time I'm sure I could look plenty up.

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If I thought it was worth the time I'm sure I could look plenty up.
    I'm sure you could. But, it doesnt change what I said.
    If there were a sound argument for banning AWs, you wouldn't have to look to crime in Mexico as justification.

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sure you could. But, it doesnt change what I said.
    If there were a sound argument for banning AWs, you wouldn't have to look to crime in Mexico as justification.
    Okay fine whatever you win

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It only makes sense if you THINK. By guaranteeing the rights of people to own weapons with more firepower than law enforcement, capable of firing unlimited rounds in a short amount of time, you are not only appeasing, but enabling potential mass murderers and terrorists.
    Ha! What horrible scare tactics. By upholding freedom of speech, I'm appeasing hate crime, and inciting to riot. By upholding assembly, I'm appeasing rioters and anarchists and anti-government extremest. By upholding right to privacy and property against illegal search and seizure, I'm appeasing drug dealers and crime lords, illegal gun dealers, etc.

    Pfft. All the rights can be taken to extreme. By upholding my rights, I am not appeasing any of these people. When I fight for my right to keep and bear arms I do so because it is MY right and I can exercise it and the government needs to learn its place. You can't take people's rights away because the exercise of them has some negative results. Of course there's negative results, there will always be someone somewhere abusing the power of the their rights, infringing upon the rights of others. That's mostly why the government exists. Once that happens, the government may act and arrest that individual, and put him on trial, and by his peers be condemned or exonerated. Will people abuse guns? Of course they will. But that doesn't give you or anyone else license to infringe upon my rights. It's a consequence of freedom, take it or leave it; but the alternative ain't so great. Free is not safe, free was never safe, free will never be safe. It is an innately dangerous system, it comes with all sorts of perils and pitfalls. I will gladly bear them all because there is nothing greater than being free. All the consequences, all the responsibilities of freedom; I want them and I want them in full!

    BTW, you know why we're tried by our peers? It's supposed to be (though corrupted away from this) an ultimate check on the government. Your peers are to decide on if you had done something wrong or not. Now they decide of you broke a law, but that's not the purpose of a jury of your peers. They were supposed to gauge if you did something wrong. Thus if an unjust law came up, something the People didn't agree with and you were arrested for it. Your peers would find you innocent because they didn't think you did anything wrong. It's the ultimate check on the legislative authority of the government and the force used by the judicial system to suppress the exercise of our rights. How's that for dangerous? I wish people understood this and took it more seriously.

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Coming into this late... wow there have been a lot of replies!
    This is one Americans will probably never solve, or completely let go.


    Why do you want to own an assault rifle? Is it in case you need to fight your government? Fend off an intruder? Do you plan to go hunting with one? Or is it "just because"?
    It really is all of the above to be perfectly honest. Assault rifles simply have a few differences like select fire switches, shorter barrels for clearing, tactical changes, etc. But assault rifles fire the same rounds as typical hunting rifles, sub-machine guns? pistol rounds....they just do this at an increased rate of fire.

    I don't really understand the need to have an assault rifle. Also, can someone explain to me if the constitution mentions unlimited access to any firearm, or if it's just to "firearms" as a rule? If the latter, then the government can technically restrict your firearms all they want, as long as you have access to some, no?
    The original intent was to allow citizens the same rights to ownership that the government could exercise, merchant ships at the time of the constitutions writing had large cannons much like the federal troops, and I believe the original Howizters were legal for civilian ownership. That doesn't mean the pro 2nd side means people should have M-180 grenade attachments or artillery cannons without an explosives license, and no one should have nukes, but I digress, wanted to give you a sample of the thinking behind our side.
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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    The trouble is, the federal government has no way absolute way of knowing if Joe the Assault Weapon Owner is a law-abiding citizen or a hardened criminal...Imagine the data that would have to be gathered, and the resistance....
    A man must remember that NO rights are absolute, nor can they be...

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    Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Because they have nothing in the states to really prove their point.

    I was reading a while ago that the Brady campaign considers suicides violent gun crime... they also consider people 26 and younger to be children.

    Pretty easy to make up statistics that show anything you want these days.
    Oh really? explain these statistics

    Yearly firearm murders by country:
    Australia: 65 per year
    Canada: 165
    France: 255
    United Kingdom: 68
    Germany: 381
    Japan: 39
    United States: 11,127.

    My explanation is it's because the firearm community in America refuses to act responsibly in creating legislation to limit the availability of guns. What's your explanation?

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