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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Oh, cheap shot! That's alright, we know you're joking, at least I hope so.
    With a treaty like that and some of the crazies in this country; how long do you think it would be before that argument was actually made?
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes.... and however true that is, if it is ratified, the first time some parent forces their kid to go to church, some loon will scream that the parent is violating his rights under international law and demand that the US government, in accordance to the treaty, do something about it.
    And nobody will care, because it will be a stupid argument. Sounds similar to what happens already.
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    We passed the first one in 1776, a little thing called the U.S. articles of confederation, later revised into the U.S. constitution, and galvanized throughout the 18 and 1900's. You were saying?
    He's not saying we've never ratified any human rights treaty, he's saying that we're the only ones who haven't ratified this one.
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    And nobody will care
    How do you know? Are you able to predict the composition and legal atmosphere of the US years from now? Is there really a need for a law like this when we have a perfectly functional government of our own? I don't understand these apologetics and justifications. This law is an unnecessary usurpation of American sovereignty and the US can govern itself without input from the UN regardless of what some foreigners think.

    because it will be a stupid argument. Sounds similar to what happens already.
    Oh yes, because we all know the US is immune to stupid ideas...

    I agree that this law, if enacted, would probably have little to no effect on a parent's ability to raise their children but that is nothing more than an assumption. In striking down this treaty we are preempting the possibility of abuse.

    Moreover, we need to recognize the absolute redundancy and ineffectiveness of this treaty. Look who's signed it:

    India: In India as many as 200,000 Nepali girls, many under the age of 14, have been sold into red-light districts. Nepalese women and girls, especially virgins, are favored in India because of their fair skin and young looks. Every year about 10,000 Nepalese girls, most between the age of nine and 16, are sold to brothels in India.

    Philippines: In the Philippines, UNICEF estimated that there are 60,000 child prostitutes and many of the 200 brothels in the notorious Angeles City offer children for sex.

    Thailand: In Thailand, NGOs have estimated that up to a third of prostitutes are children under 18.

    Vietnam: A study by the International Labor Organization on child prostitution in Vietnam reported that incidence of children in prostitution is steadily increasing and children under 18 make up between 5 percent and 20 percent of prostitution depending on the geographical area.

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    So what has this paper tiger accomplished? What incentive is there for a country to adhere to its laws? All these UN apologetics are laughable. Comparing the US with Somalia just because we refuse to sign some worthless piece of paper is preposterous hyperbole.

    American children will be just fine without this BS treaty.

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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How do you know? Are you able to predict the composition and legal atmosphere of the US years from now? Is there really a need for a law like this when we have a perfectly functional government of our own? I don't understand these apologetics and justifications. This law is an unnecessary usurpation of American sovereignty and the US can govern itself without input from the UN regardless of what some foreigners think.



    Oh yes, because we all know the US is immune to stupid ideas...

    I agree that this law, if enacted, would probably have little to no effect on a parent's ability to raise their children but that is nothing more than an assumption. In striking down this treaty we are preempting the possibility of abuse.

    So what has this paper tiger accomplished? What incentive is there for a country to adhere to its laws? All these UN apologetics are laughable. Comparing the US with Somalia just because we refuse to sign some worthless piece of paper is preposterous hyperbole.

    American children will be just fine without this BS treaty.
    To be clearer, we were active in helping to draft this treaty and even signed it way back in 1995.

    The United States government played an active role in the drafting of the Convention. It commented on nearly all of the articles, and proposed the original text of seven of them. Three of these come direct from the US constitution and were proposed by the administration of President Ronald Reagan. On 16 February 1995, Madeleine Albright, at the time the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, signed the Convention.
    This isn't exactly something being forced on us by the rest of the world.

    The reason it wasn't ratified at the time is because the treaty bars signatories from executing people under 18. At the time, TX allowed the execution of people under 18, so to implement it would have overturned TX law. Now, however, our law has changed. The SC has held that minors cannot be executed in any state, so that objection no longer stands.

    If anything is preposterous hyperbole, it's the reasons being given for not implementing it:

    "Whether you ground your kids for smoking marijuana, whether you take them to church, whether you let them go to junior prom, all of those things . . . will be the government's decision," said Michael Farris, president of ParentalRights.org. "It will affect every parent who's told their children to do the dishes."
    lawl. The treaty does not create any enforceable rights, nor does it create standing for anyone to sue.

    I personally don't give a **** if it gets ratified or not, because it's not like the decision will have a massive impact on our country either way. I just think that the arguments on each side are overblown.
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Anytime we are along side Somalia as the only nation on earth that has not ratified a human rights treaty, then I think its safe to assume we are in the wrong.
    Other nations signing or not not signing treaties is not a reason for us to sign away parts of our sovereignty away bit by bit.
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And nobody will care, because it will be a stupid argument. Sounds similar to what happens already.
    Except that it will result in more frivolous lawsuits, intervention from liberal child protection agencies, undue publicity for radical anti-religious activities. That Newdow (sp?) character would LOVE it if this were ratified.
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Except that it will result in more frivolous lawsuits, intervention from liberal child protection agencies, undue publicity for radical anti-religious activities. That Newdow (sp?) character would LOVE it if this were ratified.
    So this is happened amount the other 5.7 billion people on earth whose nations did ratify the treaty?
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Other nations signing or not not signing treaties is not a reason for us to sign away parts of our sovereignty away bit by bit.
    I supposed we should never have ratified anything out of the Geneva Conventions either then huh.
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    Re: Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So this is happened amount the other 5.7 billion people on earth whose nations did ratify the treaty?
    Do those countries have a disproportionate number of the world's trial lawyers?
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