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    Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    As part of the new stimulus package, companies that hire employees from India and other foreign nations and bring them here, because they are willing to work for peanuts, will not be eligible for any stimulus money.

    This is causing a huge controversy in India, where many of these H1-B visas go.

    So, what should be the rules here? Should America be for Americans first, or should profitability come before anything else, including employment for Americans? Answer the poll.

    As for myself, I believe that America should look out for its own before anyone else, but I think I could live with some middle ground here. Not a whole lot, though.

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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    I feel that ALL government jobs and contracts should only be given to US citizens. I would like to know my taxes are used to create jobs here.

    As for private corporations I don't believe the government should be bailing them out, giving them stimulus monies, and I don't care who they hire.

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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I feel that ALL government jobs and contracts should only be given to US citizens. I would like to know my taxes are used to create jobs here.

    As for private corporations I don't believe the government should be bailing them out, giving them stimulus monies, and I don't care who they hire.
    I do think that corporations should receive enticing tax breaks if they employ legal American workers. Even make the tax break a sliding scale starting at 60% American worker employment.

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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    In effect, a visa that had been designed for U.S. corporations to remain competitive at a time of talent shortage had become a blessing for the U.S. operations of global Indian companies, allowing them to send engineers from India, rather than hiring locally.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So, what should be the rules here? Should America be for Americans first, or should profitability come before anything else, including employment for Americans?
    That one.

    There is really no rational reason to have any limitation at all on the number of skilled workers who can come here to work. These people aren't going to be a burden to society; they're professionals. We should be ENCOURAGING the best and brightest the world has to offer to come to the United States. Why would we want LeBron to play for the other team, when we can get him to play for our team?
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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    As part of the new stimulus package, companies that hire employees from India and other foreign nations and bring them here, because they are willing to work for peanuts, will not be eligible for any stimulus money.
    At least one good thing will come out of this stimulus.
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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    What if it is a specialist? That there in the US does not exist any or it is very hard to find any, that can do the kind of work the company is looking for?
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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That one.

    There is really no rational reason to have any limitation at all on the number of skilled workers who can come here to work. These people aren't going to be a burden to society; they're professionals. We should be ENCOURAGING the best and brightest the world has to offer to come to the United States. Why would we want LeBron to play for the other team, when we can get him to play for our team?
    Ummm LeBron James is an American citizen. You know that right? Just saying that a better analogy would be Wayne Gretzky or somebody who wasn't born in the States. I don't know about you but it seems to me like it is in our best interest to not have anywhere near 10% unemployment and if the companies who ship jobs overseas are contributing to this then they shouldn't get any stimulus money. The goal of the stimulus plan is to stimulate OUR economy. Not that of India and that is exactly what the majority of new immigrants do. They send money back home instead of spending it here.
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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What if it is a specialist? That there in the US does not exist any or it is very hard to find any, that can do the kind of work the company is looking for?
    This is exactly right. The amount of engineering grads in the U.S. is about 5% in countries like India and China it is around 30% to 40%.

    We don't have enough engineers in the U.S. I'm sure there are other trades/careers I'm forgetting but in the sciences this is true.
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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    This plan makes fiscal sense. During hard economic times, why would the U.S. government support companies that outsource? A part of the reason for the scarcity of jobs is foreign subsidiaries or branches of domestic companies.

    EDIT: Thought this over... and if there's a field in the U.S. that is drastically understaffed, but not due to outsourcing, then I see no reason why this company should be punished for bringing in a foreign professional. I hope this policy has some foresight for the rare exception.
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    Re: Anger grows in India over US visa rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm LeBron James is an American citizen. You know that right? Just saying that a better analogy would be Wayne Gretzky or somebody who wasn't born in the States.
    The point of the analogy is just that we should want the best people to set up shop HERE, instead of in India or China where they compete against American companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    I don't know about you but it seems to me like it is in our best interest to not have anywhere near 10% unemployment and if the companies who ship jobs overseas are contributing to this then they shouldn't get any stimulus money.
    Except most of the Indian professionals who come to the United States will most likely stay here and become Americans. And as highly educated people, they'll be the movers and shakers of our society who will create businesses, make them profitable, and hire other Americans.

    I can't see any reason why we shouldn't allow everyone in the world with at least a four-year college degree to immigrate to the United States, as long as they don't pose any kind of security threat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    The goal of the stimulus plan is to stimulate OUR economy. Not that of India and that is exactly what the majority of new immigrants do. They send money back home instead of spending it here.
    I'd like to see some statistics on that. The amount of money they send home (if any) can't possibly be anywhere close to the amount of money they spend on themselves here.
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