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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Because there's enough confusion for elementry school people that there's a Washington State and Washington DC. Now make it Washington SC so they'd confuse Washington State, Washigton SC, and SC (south Carolina)



    I don't have much of an issue with this. When the constitution was created I don't believe it was ever invisioned that there'd be more people living within the capital then you have in some states.

    A possible solution instead though would be to perhaps split DC Down the middle, with the northern portion having their votes and population tallied for Maryland and the bottom half for Virginia, thus allowing them a chance to vote for representation?

    Don't know if that'd work, was just a sudden brain storm.

    But I am strangely not too up in arms over this as I do think this is the type of situation amendments were created for; things that the founders couldn't forsee but have came to pass. I think I'd support a consitutional amendment to allow this.

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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why not make DC a State, then?
    That would be fine with me too.
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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The District of Columbia is the only US district there is.

    I think they should have congressional representation because they're citizens of the United States just like anyone else. I don't see any reason they shouldn't have a say in our government just because they live in DC as opposed to Wyoming or Montana.
    So, should Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, etc. also be granted Congressional representation in addition to Electoral Votes? They are, after all, US citizens as well.
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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, should Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, etc. also be granted Congressional representation in addition to Electoral Votes? They are, after all, US citizens as well.
    Well...sort of. They aren't part of the "proper" US government (mostly by their own choice), and don't really have the same status as DC and the states. They are exempt from certain taxes whereas DC is not, and they don't participate in certain federal programs whereas DC does. Another important difference is that the federal government holds near-total power over the District of Columbia, whereas the territories usually enjoy more sovereignty than even US states and thus have less of a stake in the happenings of the federal government.

    With that said, I wouldn't be opposed to giving those territories a little bit of representation. They shouldn't get as much as they would if they were states though.
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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Just count Washington DC with part of Maryland or Virginia when it comes to electing senators and representatives.

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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Just count Washington DC with part of Maryland or Virginia when it comes to electing senators and representatives.
    I think a proposal has been floated for quite some time to do exactly that - at least with Maryland. WAsn't the "Virginia" part of DC from the original formation of the District returned to Virginia some time ago?
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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I think a proposal has been floated for quite some time to do exactly that - at least with Maryland. WAsn't the "Virginia" part of DC from the original formation of the District returned to Virginia some time ago?
    Yes. The District of Columbia was originally composed of land that was half north of the Potomac (Maryland), and half south of the Potomac (Virginia). The Virginian part of DC was returned in 1847, and is now Arlington County.
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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Several thoughts:

    -Giving them a congressional seat in their current form is most likely unconstitutional.

    -If they deserve a Congressional seat, why not 2 senators? There's no intellectually honest argument for one but not the other.

    -If the people of DC want to be represented, they should retrocede everything but the national mall and the federal buildings back to MD and VA.

    -The whole "oh its fair because we're giving UT an extra congressional seat" thing is a load of ****. UT is already going to get that seat in 2 years when they do the next census anyways.
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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Several thoughts:

    -Giving them a congressional seat in their current form is most likely unconstitutional.

    -If they deserve a Congressional seat, why not 2 senators? There's no intellectually honest argument for one but not the other.

    -If the people of DC want to be represented, they should retrocede everything but the national mall and the federal buildings back to MD and VA.

    -The whole "oh its fair because we're giving UT an extra congressional seat" thing is a load of ****. UT is already going to get that seat in 2 years when they do the next census anyways.
    I think the Democrats know that too. They are probably going for that "extra" electoral vote.
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    Re: Senators Agree to Consider D.C. Voting Rights Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why not make DC a State, then?
    Because the whole purpose of Washington, D.C. was that the nation's capital wouldn't be the domain of any one state.

    That said, I'd support the following alternatives to the law being considered:
    • Moving every resident of D.C. out of D.C., with proper compensation to residential landlords and a grant to residents (if they do not own their own home)
    • Creating a number of voting districts in D.C. equivalent to the number of states bordering its area (can't remember if it's 2 or 3) -- give each district the right to vote in the Congressional elections of the nearest Congressional district
    • Make Washington, D.C. entirely subject to its own code of law, which would be composed and enforced by the District government (the mayor and a "city" council elected by District residents)
    Any of those would be fine by me.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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