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Man slays sister for honour

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Source: Pakistan Daily Times
Date: Febuary 23, 2009

KARACHI: A man surrendered himself after killing his elderly sister on the pretext of honour killing.

Elahi Bux, 45, surrendered himself after axing to death his 60-year-old sister, Shehla Bibi, at his house located in Sector 15, Mehran Town, within the jurisdiction of Korangi Industrial Area Police Station.

Confessing to the crime, the accused alleged that his sister had illicit relations with a landlord of Larkana. According to SHO Ismail Lashari, Bux only dealt one swift blow to the victim’s head and when her screams attracted the neighbours, rather than fleeing, Bux waited for the police to arrive. The police have registered a case on behalf of the victim’s son.

However, according to family sources, Bux was in financial debt of the landlord and as he could not repay the money, he had married his daughter to the landlord. However, now the landlord wanted to marry Shehla Bibi, therefore, Bux thought it best to kill her rather than stain the family’s honour. The deceased was a widowed mother of five children.
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Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Over 5000 women and a few men are killed in honour killings each year. The majority of these are muslims, hindus, and sikhs.
 
SgtRock said:
Source: Pakistan Daily Times
Date: Febuary 23, 2009



Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Over 5000 women and a few men are killed in honour killings each year. The majority of these are muslims, hindus, and sikhs.
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It's been happening for a very long time, Sarge. There is no doubt that women are considered second-class citizens in many countries.
 
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(It's been happening for a very long time, Sarge. There is no doubt that women are considered second-class citizens in many countries.)

One of those countries being the good old USA.

This will no doubt draw a few comments.
But remember this, the USA does not reward it's female workers (in every comparable job) with the same pay rates as it rewards male workers.
 
jujuman13 said:
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One of those countries being the good old USA.

This will no doubt draw a few comments.
But remember this, the USA does not reward it's female workers (in every comparable job) with the same pay rates as it rewards male workers.
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Private businesses have the right to pay employees whatever they choose, within the bounds of a contract in some cases. If the government pays genders unequally, that's a problem, but other than that you're attacking the free market for acting within its rights.
 
And even then, comparing the United States to places like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and others that have attrocious women's rights (which is EXACTLY what he said by saying "one of those" being the U.S.) is absolutely positively laughable.

Show me those countries where a woman is running legitimately the chance to be in one of the highest offices in the land (Hillary in the primaries, Palin in the general). That one of the most powerful legislators is a female (Pelosi). Where there are independent business owners, private bosses, all the way up to CEO's that are female? Hell, for some of them, show me where their female can dress in whatever they want and go wherever they want without a man? How about that epidemic amount of Honor Killings going through the U.S., its undoubtably equal proportionally to those countries.

Give me a ****ing break. This is like saying the Los Angelos Clippers are the same as the Boston Celtics because they both play baseketball and have lost games.
 
Zyphlin said:
And even then, comparing the United States to places like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and others that have attrocious women's rights (which is EXACTLY what he said by saying "one of those" being the U.S.) is absolutely positively laughable.

Show me those countries where a woman is running legitimately the chance to be in one of the highest offices in the land (Hillary in the primaries, Palin in the general). That one of the most powerful legislators is a female (Pelosi). Where there are independent business owners, private bosses, all the way up to CEO's that are female? Hell, for some of them, show me where their female can dress in whatever they want and go wherever they want without a man? How about that epidemic amount of Honor Killings going through the U.S., its undoubtably equal proportionally to those countries.

Give me a ****ing break. This is like saying the Los Angelos Clippers are the same as the Boston Celtics because they both play baseketball and have lost games.
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I agree, and feel lucky to live in a country that treats women in an almost equal manner. The honour killings, battery acid scarring, and maiming of women in other countries has got to stop.
 
Middleground said:
I agree, and feel lucky to live in a country that treats women in an almost equal manner. The honour killings, battery acid scarring, and maiming of women in other countries has got to stop.
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Indeed, in no way am I saying this country is perfect in regards to women. It suffers issues of discrimination, and even the sexual kind is not exclusive to women (research in depth into cases of divorce and even reported sexual assult and you'll find a number of cases that are far far harsher on men then women primarily because of sex). Not saying men have it anywhere near as bad relatively speaking here as women, but more pointing out every group gets a bit of discrimination at some point. We're not a utopia.

But all things considered, its a pretty damn good standard of living and one of the most even playing fields you'll likely find in the world. The self loathing and hatred for America that leads one to think its on par with places where some of the most attrocious things happen to women boggles my mind, especially when the comparison is because they on average make less in jobs.
 
Middleground said:
It's been happening for a very long time, Sarge. There is no doubt that women are considered second-class citizens in many countries.
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Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone, you pave paradise and put up a parking lot.

Fixed.
 
bhkad said:
Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone, you pave paradise and put up a parking lot.

Fixed.
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It's a shame that your lone contribution to this thread (besides a thanks) is to correct a typo in my signature. Is that all you've got to say?
 
SgtRock said:
Over 5000 women and a few men are killed in honour killings each year. The majority of these are muslims, hindus, and sikhs.
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Thank you, SgtRock. If it were not for your numerous threads reminding me that honor killings occur in certain parts of the world, I might forget.
 
jujuman13 said:
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(It's been happening for a very long time, Sarge. There is no doubt that women are considered second-class citizens in many countries.)

One of those countries being the good old USA.

This will no doubt draw a few comments.
But remember this, the USA does not reward it's female workers (in every comparable job) with the same pay rates as it rewards male workers.
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Please tell me you are not trying to compare a disparity in wages to hacking a woman to death with an axe.
 
Arch Enemy said:
What do y'all think we should do about it?
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I think we should talk about it. Or we should donate to organizations that fight for human rights. There are many organizations that are working to change things.

We also must do are part by discussing honour killings and human rights abusses. Think about it, there are people that believe that they are protecting thier family honor by brutally killing their daughter for bringing shame to the family by being raped. When a family kills one of there own it is not protecting the family honour. It is a cowardly and shameful act.
 
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My only problem is how do you tell someone "your tradition is wrong, mine is right"?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Thank you, SgtRock. If it were not for your numerous threads reminding me that honor killings occur in certain parts of the world, I might forget.
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Its nice to know you care. :roll: And besides we can't have you going through life in your own little utopia ignoring the real world.
 
SgtRock said:
Its nice to know you care. :roll: And besides we can't have you going through life in your own little utopia ignoring the real world.
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When I see you publishing threads about every murder story that comes across the wire, I'll take your headlines a little more seriously. In the mean time, you're being selective enough that you're less a font of information and more a broken record.

Aside from that, I've got a fairly good understanding of the subject, at least enough so that a new thread on each and every instance isn't going to teach me anything. I'm sure there are many others on this forum who fall into the same category, in terms of familiarity with the subject.

How about beating the drums on a new subject for a change?
 
Arch Enemy said:
My only problem is how do you tell someone "your tradition is wrong, mine is right"?
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Its simple, any tradition that involves stabbing, shooting, strangling, hacking to death, decapitation, setting on fire, beating to death, or spraying acid in the face of a family member or any one for that matter is wrong. If you don't have the moral clarity to stand up for what is right then maybe you should do some reflecting. Take time to think about the difference between right and wrong and apply it to yourself. In other words man up (or woman up) and stand for something.

Honour killings are wrong and they have been wrong for thousands of years.
 
Arch Enemy said:
My only problem is how do you tell someone "your tradition is wrong, mine is right"?
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Well, for starters, you sure as **** don't root your argument in your own traditions, otherwise you lose right out of the starting gate because your traditions are not their traditions.

I keep trying to explain this to the thumpers who think they can win me over with the Bible. They keep failing to take my advice, fancy that.
 
SgtRock said:
Its simple, any tradition that involves stabbing, shooting, strangling, hacking to death, decapitation, setting on fire, beating to death, or spraying acid in the face of a family member or any one for that matter is wrong. If you don't have the moral clarity to stand up for what is right then maybe you should do some reflecting. Take time to think about the difference between right and wrong and apply it to yourself. In other words man up (or woman up) and stand for something.

Honour killings are wrong and they have been wrong for thousands of years.
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Case in point. :lol:
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
When I see you publishing threads about every murder story that comes across the wire, I'll take your headlines a little more seriously. In the mean time, you're being selective enough that you're less a font of information and more a broken record.

Aside from that, I've got a fairly good understanding of the subject, at least enough so that a new thread on each and every instance isn't going to teach me anything. I'm sure there are many others on this forum who fall into the same category, in terms of familiarity with the subject.

How about beating the drums on a new subject for a change?
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No thanks I think I'll stick with this subject. I suggest you ignore my posts since you allready know everything there is to know about honour killings and human rights abuses......take a hike!
 
SgtRock said:
No thanks I think I'll stick with this subject. I suggest you ignore my posts since you allready know everything there is to know about honour killings and human rights abuses......take a hike!
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What, and miss all the fun, especially when people talk about honor killings as if they were an invention of Islam, rather than a tribal thing that predate the religion entirely?

Not a chance. :cool:
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
What, and miss all the fun, especially when people talk about honor killings as if they were an invention of Islam, rather than a tribal thing that predate the religion entirely?

Not a chance. :cool:
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Explain something to me TED, why do so many of the perpetrators of honour killings claim they killed there family member for being a bad muslim, Sikh, or hindu? Also many of them claim they killed because of there religion. I can sight examples if you like. Are you telling me that you have a better understanding of their religion then they do?
 
SgtRock said:
Explain something to me TED, why do so many of the perpetrators of honour killings claim they killed there family member for being a bad muslim, Sikh, or hindu? Also many of them claim they killed because of there religion. I can sight examples if you like. Are you telling me that you have a better understanding of their religion then they do?
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I'm telling you that in Islam, just like in Christianity, there are passages in the holy scriptures which can be interpreted to justify violence, as are there passages in the holy scriptures which can be used to condemn violence.

As I've said previously, the practice of religion is shaped heavily by the culture in which it flourishes. It is that culture which prompts this kind of thinking about the religion, not the religion which prompts this kind of thinking about the culture.
 
SgtRock said:
No thanks I think I'll stick with this subject.
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I hope you do stick with it Sgt. Most Westerners either have no idea of the scope of the problem or they consider it a taboo subject because it exposes the seamy underside of Islam. In one notorius case in Israel, 6 Muslim females from one family were murdered (honor-killings) before other terrified female family members finally agreed to cooperate with the police. :(
 
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