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    Taxing pot could become a political toking point - Los Angeles Times

    An assemblyman from San Francisco announced legislation Monday to do just that: make California the first state in the nation to tax and regulate recreational marijuana in the same manner as alcohol.
    another quote from Ammiano on the issue, albeit from a different source (one that is admittedly biased, but at the front lines on the issue, and its the quote that is of note):

    NORML Blog Blog Archive NORML Breaking News: California Assemblyman Introduces Legislation To Tax And Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol

    “With the state in the midst of an historic economic crisis, the move towards regulating and taxing marijuana is simply common sense. This legislation would generate much needed revenue for the state, restrict access to only those over 21, end the environmental damage to our public lands from illicit crops, and improve public safety by redirecting law enforcement efforts to more serious crimes”, Assemblyman Ammiano said. “California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart, responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana.”
    Yes it really is common sense, public opinion in CA is in favor of legalization of marijuana, question is is the state legislature ready for it, could California's financial woes be the impetus for a state finally adopting realistic Marijuana legislation??

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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Good, in addition it will save the state money in police, prison and court resources but I hope this man is up to the task in fighting to Drug Warriors. They are a powerful bunch.
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    More on the issue:

    San Francisco - The Snitch - Get Up, Stand Up: Ammiano Introduces Marijuana Legalization Bill to the Press

    This is from a press conference, where along with Ammiano a recently retired Orange Count Judge spoke out:

    But the morning's most forceful speaker was Judge James P. Gray, who retired from his 25-year post on the Orange County Superior Court six weeks ago...

    ..."I served 25 years on the bench and I've seen the results of this attempted prohibition. It doesn't make marijuana less available, but it does clog the court system," said the judge.

    "The stronger we get on marijuana, the softer we get with regard to all other prosecutions because we have only so many resources. And we at this moment, have thousands of people in state prison right this minute who did nothing but smoke marijuana."
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    I think it seems like a good move. I'm not for legalising all drugs but it seems to me that it is bad move to have pot and some other soft drugs illegal.
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Taxing pot could become a political toking point - Los Angeles Times



    another quote from Ammiano on the issue, albeit from a different source (one that is admittedly biased, but at the front lines on the issue, and its the quote that is of note):

    NORML Blog Blog Archive NORML Breaking News: California Assemblyman Introduces Legislation To Tax And Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol



    Yes it really is common sense, public opinion in CA is in favor of legalization of marijuana, question is is the state legislature ready for it, could California's financial woes be the impetus for a state finally adopting realistic Marijuana legislation??

    I think Ammiano is my new hero.. Kudos!
    The federal government wouldn't allow them to do that even though it's completely a State issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The federal government wouldn't allow them to do that even though it's completely a State issue.
    Considering drugs are regulated under the CDER(FDA) then I fail to see how this is a State's issue.
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    The idea seems prudent, logical and makes too much sense. The federal government will surely not allow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The federal government wouldn't allow them to do that even though it's completely a State issue.
    Just as the federal Government does not currently allow medical marijuana. Aside from a few token busts, the DEA and federal government does not have the resources to harp pester and pursue the millions of people at the user end of the spectrum. For the most part the millions and millions of people who are incarcerated, or carry misdemeanor priors are a result of prosecution at the state level.

    California police officials are constitutionally obligated (state) to uphold STATE laws, not federal.

    IF the DEA and the federal government started interfering on a large scale and started meddling in the affairs of recreational users, and a few small time growers who are state sanctioned there will be a MASSIVE public outcry over this issue, the public is become more and more aware that the federal laws and scheduling is archaic and senseless, this is a crack in the foundation towards eroding those archaic laws, and if they intervene in a large scale fashion this will become a VERY inflammatory issue, VERY quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    California police officials are constitutionally obligated (state) to uphold STATE laws, not federal.
    Not true. Cause in Colorado we passed laws that essentially decriminalized weed. We were tired of arrests and wasting money on it. We were told that we will keep it illegal and we will keep policing it. Look at the California case that went to the SCOTUS and they used interstate commerce on a completely in-state issue to force the federal law onto the State. The federal government will do anything it can to make sure it's top dog; lie, steal, and cheat it doesn't matter. Don't think that if you make this legal and taxable that you won't call down the federal government. It's not that I'd disagree with CA and maybe they could win in the end (I would certainly hope so, open the door for the entire dissolution of the War on Drugs...waste of time and money that it is). It's that I think the federal government hates not being listened to and they get all huffy and puffy about it. Don't trust those bastards for a second.
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not true. Cause in Colorado we passed laws that essentially decriminalized weed. We were tired of arrests and wasting money on it. We were told that we will keep it illegal and we will keep policing it. Look at the California case that went to the SCOTUS and they used interstate commerce on a completely in-state issue to force the federal law onto the State. The federal government will do anything it can to make sure it's top dog; lie, steal, and cheat it doesn't matter. Don't think that if you make this legal and taxable that you won't call down the federal government. It's not that I'd disagree with CA and maybe they could win in the end (I would certainly hope so, open the door for the entire dissolution of the War on Drugs...waste of time and money that it is). It's that I think the federal government hates not being listened to and they get all huffy and puffy about it. Don't trust those bastards for a second.
    Yet if zero cannabis arrests were made by state officials, along with a lack of cooperation in investigations, it would undoubtedly overwhelm the California DEA. Every DEA agent attempting to shut down a medi-pot dispensary is one less agent investigating fentanyl laced heroin deaths. Or how about crooked doctors who prescribe opiates, barbiturates, and amphetamines for anyone?

    Give them one year of true legalization, and watch other states follow. Jail populations will fall, drug arrests will fall, gang shootings over cannabis will fall, and best of all: black market profits for drug dealers will lower the price considerably while dramatically increasing supply.

    Call it an Economic Stimulus Package for Pot Smokers
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