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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not true. Cause in Colorado we passed laws that essentially decriminalized weed. We were tired of arrests and wasting money on it. We were told that we will keep it illegal and we will keep policing it. Look at the California case that went to the SCOTUS and they used interstate commerce on a completely in-state issue to force the federal law onto the State. The federal government will do anything it can to make sure it's top dog; lie, steal, and cheat it doesn't matter. Don't think that if you make this legal and taxable that you won't call down the federal government. It's not that I'd disagree with CA and maybe they could win in the end (I would certainly hope so, open the door for the entire dissolution of the War on Drugs...waste of time and money that it is). It's that I think the federal government hates not being listened to and they get all huffy and puffy about it. Don't trust those bastards for a second.
    I don't trust those bastards, never have.

    I am not saying that there won't be issues on the federal level, all this does is clears state officials from the burden of pursuit and enforcement. I am aware of Colorado's decriminalization, and it is also the same in other states AK notably. The fed. allows states to police their own states.

    Under our federalist system of government, the states, rather than the federal government, are entrusted to exercise a general police power for the benefit of their citizens. Due to this constitutional division of authority between the federal government and the states, the State of California may elect to decriminalize conduct, such as medical marijuana activity, which remains illegal under federal law.
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    Under California's medical marijuana laws, patients and caregivers are exempt from prosecution by the State of California, notwithstanding contrary federal law.
    this will be the same if this bill gets passed.

    In People v. Kelly (1869), it was determined that "State tribunals have no power to punish crimes against the laws of the United States as such. The same act may, in some instances, be an offense against the laws of both, and it is only an offense against the State laws that it can be punished by the State, in any event."
    States are still allowed to enact their own laws on matters into their own legislation independant of Federal law. Will it still be illegal to use marijuana in California? yes. Will California do anything about it?? aside form collecting $50/ OZ. from the cultivators, no.

    Will the Fed be up in arms?? yes

    Will they be able to anything about Californias right to put its own laws on its own books? no

    Will California courts be bound to uphold Federal laws?? unless a 140 year old ruling is suddenly overturned, NO, just the state laws as is should be the case.

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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Yet if zero cannabis arrests were made by state officials, along with a lack of cooperation in investigations, it would undoubtedly overwhelm the California DEA. Every DEA agent attempting to shut down a medi-pot dispensary is one less agent investigating fentanyl laced heroin deaths. Or how about crooked doctors who prescribe opiates, barbiturates, and amphetamines for anyone?

    Give them one year of true legalization, and watch other states follow. Jail populations will fall, drug arrests will fall, gang shootings over cannabis will fall, and best of all: black market profits for drug dealers will lower the price considerably while dramatically increasing supply.

    Call it an Economic Stimulus Package for Pot Smokers
    There are lots of net positive, neutral things which come from pot legalization. I'm not arguing against it. I'm saying the State will enforce the law of the federal government tells them they have to enforce the law. This isn't just about law enforcement being physically out there. Yeah in that case the whole of the CA law enforcement could leave it to federal officials and they wouldn't have the manpower to do it. But this is also about the money, the federal government is not above blackmail. Why is the drinking age 21? The age is a State issue. It's that way because the federal government says "it will be 21, or you aren't getting this federal highway money". They control a hell of a lot more than federal highway money, they control a lot of money that goes to the State and they are not afraid to play that card. You make it legal and refuse to acknowledge the federal government as the sovereign, and you're cut off. Never mind that the money is the People's and that we want to government to use it for certain things like roads and police and stuff. They'll take our money and use it any way that benefits them.

    Do not trust those bastards for a second. All they want is their power and their control and they'll use any means to get it. The federal government will not let California do this. Not without consequence. It's like defying the Don.
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are lots of net positive, neutral things which come from pot legalization. I'm not arguing against it. I'm saying the State will enforce the law of the federal government tells them they have to enforce the law. This isn't just about law enforcement being physically out there. Yeah in that case the whole of the CA law enforcement could leave it to federal officials and they wouldn't have the manpower to do it. But this is also about the money, the federal government is not above blackmail. Why is the drinking age 21? The age is a State issue. It's that way because the federal government says "it will be 21, or you aren't getting this federal highway money". They control a hell of a lot more than federal highway money, they control a lot of money that goes to the State and they are not afraid to play that card. You make it legal and refuse to acknowledge the federal government as the sovereign, and you're cut off. Never mind that the money is the People's and that we want to government to use it for certain things like roads and police and stuff. They'll take our money and use it any way that benefits them.

    Do not trust those bastards for a second. All they want is their power and their control and they'll use any means to get it. The federal government will not let California do this. Not without consequence. It's like defying the Don.
    They have to find a way to get revenues, otherwise the Fed Gov will have to step in. Once they open that can of worms, every state will be lining up.

    Currently, the state and local police do not raid dispensaries ,while the DEA makes their presence known. The issue is much less encompassing given our current state of affairs.
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering drugs are regulated under the CDER(FDA) then I fail to see how this is a State's issue.
    Hatuey: I never chalenge you on anything you say because you`re always right ...NOT. On this point you are incorrect. Weed is a weed,an herb, a vegitable, a textile, and probably a few more things could be said about it,but it is not a drug. They,(the federalies) have resisted the temptation to classify it as a drug because people would be a big step closer to the MEDICINAL CLASSIFICATION and that would mess it up for the eliments in our government that want to keep it off the list of herbal medicines... Or some such nonsense as that. Of this I am sure you will agree. It makes a great cigarette,...not the smoothest of smokes but rightious anyway.

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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    Hatuey: I never chalenge you on anything you say because you`re always right ...NOT. On this point you are incorrect. Weed is a weed,an herb, a vegitable, a textile, and probably a few more things could be said about it,but it is not a drug. They,(the federalies) have resisted the temptation to classify it as a drug because people would be a big step closer to the MEDICINAL CLASSIFICATION and that would mess it up for the eliments in our government that want to keep it off the list of herbal medicines... Or some such nonsense as that. Of this I am sure you will agree. It makes a great cigarette,...not the smoothest of smokes but rightious anyway.
    You're telling hatuey this?

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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    They have to find a way to get revenues, otherwise the Fed Gov will have to step in. Once they open that can of worms, every state will be lining up.

    Currently, the state and local police do not raid dispensaries ,while the DEA makes their presence known. The issue is much less encompassing given our current state of affairs.
    Well I wish them luck then. I definitely think this is 100% within the State's ability to do. I just don't trust the federal government to keep its nose to its own damned business.
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The idea seems prudent, logical and makes too much sense. The federal government will surely not allow it.
    IIRC the specifics of Ammiano's proposal is that each ounce of pot be taxed $50.

    A tax of $50/oz.

    And that they'd hope to raise $1.5 Billion in revenue.

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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    IIRC the specifics of Ammiano's proposal is that each ounce of pot be taxed $50.

    A tax of $50/oz.

    And that they'd hope to raise $1.5 Billion in revenue.
    Is that daily?

    Seriously though, annually?
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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Is that daily?

    Seriously though, annually?
    $50 each oz to get $1.5 Billion annually.

    They say.

    The tax seems high and the revenue seems low.

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    Re: Taxing pot could become a political toking point

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    $50 each oz to get $1.5 Billion annually.

    They say.

    The tax seems high and the revenue seems low.
    I agree. Although, if legalized, I wouldn't purchase it. I would grow it. Maybe they are taking that into account.
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