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PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dad’s Pregnant Girlfriend

Hatuey said:
From your source :

Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions



The overwhelming majority of video game players are HABITUAL. They're not sitting in front of their screens 24/7 playing violent video games. Even the majority of WoW players aren't sitting in front of their screens for more then a few hours a week. And that is a game with millions of players. For a source claiming to debunk 'myths' on violent video gaming it seems ridiculous that they'd be missing data representing the majority of gamers.
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Two features of video games fuel renewed interest by researchers, public policy makers, and the general public.

First, the active role required by video games is a double-edged sword. It helps educational video games be excellent teaching tools for motivational and learning process reasons. But, it also may make violent video games even more hazardous than violent television or cinema.

Second, the arrival of a new generation of ultraviolent video games beginning in the early 1990s and continuing unabated to the present resulted in large numbers of children and youths actively participating in entertainment violence that went way beyond anything available to them on television or in movies.

Recent video games reward players for killing innocent bystanders, police, and prostitutes, using a wide range of weapons including guns, knives, flame throwers, swords, baseball bats, cars, hands, and feet. Some include cut scenes (i.e., brief movie clips supposedly designed to move the story forward) of strippers. In some, the player assumes the role of hero, whereas in others the player is a criminal.
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Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions
 
Tucker Case said:
Sometimes I forget that what I say can be interpretted differently than what I mean. :3oops:
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I have that problem all the time :mrgreen:
 
Tucker Case said:
A helluva lot more has changed than that.
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What else has changed the attitudes and violent actions of our young people more than ultraviolent videogames?
 
Hatuey said:
Then we have very different definitions of 'access'. Another example. My wife has access to my cameras but she doesn't really 'own' them. But she has access to them. My wife can not, without my permission, take my cameras to a shop and sell them. But she can use them all she wants without my supervision. This kid owned his guns.
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The definition of access in this context:

b: freedom or ability to obtain or make use of something



I can OWN something and not have access to it.

For example, If I own a car in Kentucky, and I am in Illinois, I have no access to said vehicle, but my ownership of that vehicle is still a fact.

If the parent buys the kid a gun, but puts it in a gunasafe, the kid does not have ACCESS to the gun (he does not have freedom to make use of it) even though he OWNS said gun.
 
Arcana XV said:
And millions of young people play violent video games and never kill anyone.
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Myth 9. The effects of violent video games are trivially small.

Facts: Meta-analyses reveal that violent video game effect sizes are larger than the effect of second hand tobacco smoke on lung cancer, the effect of lead exposure to I.Q. scores in children, and calcium intake on bone mass.

Furthermore, the fact that so many youths are exposed to such high levels of video game violence further increases the societal costs of this risk factor (Rosenthal, 1986).
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Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions
 
bhkad said:
What else has changed the attitudes and violent actions of our young people more than ultraviolent videogames?
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The constant and continued erosion of the idea that you are responsible for yourself and your actions?
 
bhkad said:
Millions of young people grow up in rural areas with a firearm(s) and never misuse it.
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millions of people play violent video games and never misuse it, what's the point then?

In the end, you just our own personal version of Jack Thompson. You have a vendetta for some reason against video games and are looking to take it out. That's why you brought up video games in the first place for a story that had nothing to do with video games.
 
Tucker Case said:
AKA ****ty parenting. :mrgreen:
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That's part of it. Another part is the same sentiment at the societal level.

No matter what example you want to give, there's -someone- that will argue that the blame lies with someone/thing other than the person that committed the act.
 
Goobieman said:
That's part of it. Another part is the same sentiment at the societal level.

No matter what example you want to give, there's -someone- that will argue that the blame lies with someone/thing other than the person that committed the act.
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The ****ty parenting pretty much goes hand and hand with the societal changes and has a snowball effect.

Ten sets of ****ty parents with 2.5 kids each raise those kids to not take responsibility equals 25 ****ty parents in the future that do the same to their 2.5 kids which leads to 62.5 ****ty parents and so on and so forth.
 
Not to side track such a healthy debate on bhkad's irrational hatred of video games (maybe the arcade fighters kicked his ass all the time as a kid and he's been bitter ever since. Tried to play Street Fighter and only lost quarters...that sort of thing). But they're talking about charging this kid as an adult. Do you agree? I'm torn on it. 11 is a young age, but the crime was pretty horrendous. Though the whole child law thing was in place because kids don't always comprehend what they are doing, so they had a separate court system to deal with them. Still, I'm not sure I'm comfortable charging kids as adults even for murder. What about the 9 year old that shot his dad and friend? Adult conviction?

Damn the kids are ****ed up these days. I'm gonna blame text messaging.
 
11 is too young to try as an adult.
 
Ikari said:
Damn the kids are ****ed up these days. I'm gonna blame text messaging.
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LOL. I gotta say, I think it's pretty ****ed up that 9 and 10 year old kids have cell phones in the first place. Not to sound like the old guy who had to walk uphill both ways to school barefoot in a land that was always covered in snow, but I think I did pretty good without ever having a phone as a kid.

Why the **** does a 9 year old need a phone? Who the **** are they calling?
 
The Pennsylvania law is anyone over 10 charged with murder or homicide is brought up as an adult. But I agree with you, 11 is too young to try as an adult.
 
What violent video games did Hitler play? What about Charles Manson, what violent video games did he play?

If you are a good parent that builds a strong relationship with your children, then its not like your kid is going to play Call of Duty one morning then just up and then go on a killing rampage. In Canada and western Europe kids play the same games, yet their murder rates there are a fraction of what ours is.

The problem we have in this country is that as a society we are more selfish and materialistic than ever, and as a result, we have a lot of ****y parents. Anymore, "enrichment" for many kids consists of soccer practice. Other than that, their parents don't do anything with them, they don't build the respect and friendship with their kids that previous generations used to build with their kids. Our son at the age of eight has been on several backpacking and canoe trips, been fishing God knows how many times, has been to art museums, museums of natural history, has traveled with us, has been exposed to no telling how many different cultures.... Our daughter in the year and a half we have had her has done more with us than many of her friends in Kindergarten have in their entire lives with their parents. Most of our son's friends went fishing for the first time last fall in cub scouts at one of the pack meetings, many of them have never been camping, been to museums, been exposed to different cultures, taken with their parents on trips, and so on. When did we forget in this country that your kids are the best friends you will ever have? Its the self absorption in our society that has lead to this.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Way too young.
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Obviously this kid is messed up in the head and really needs some help, I think that's where we should take this. A child can be helped a lot easier than an adult who has already committed a fair amount of crime and taken jail time. I'm not saying no punishment for the kid, but I'm saying he needs to be tried as a juvenile and placed into that system. The adult system is gonna have him for breakfast and you're probably just going to create a lifelong criminal. At least with the juvenile system there is a bit of a chance for redemption. We need to be reasonable about our punishments, yeah this is horrible and murder is a serious charge; but the kid is 11 and that's just way too young to throw them into the adult system. Unless, of course, they allow violent video games in juvenile detention...then it's all for not.

To add to what SouthernDemocrat was saying, I think one thing we have seriously lost in this country is our reason. I think collectively, we have thrown that right out the window...I don't know why. But it's obvious from looking at the whole of our country; out of control government, lawsuits over stupid things for 10's of millions of dollars, kids committing horrible crime, court system going over the line, automatic sentencing, sex crimes (both on the committal and punishment side), drugs and alcohol, etc. We've lost our ever loving minds here. America has abandoned all reason and I think that's a major factor in our steady decline.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
What violent video games did Hitler play? What about Charles Manson, what violent video games did he play?

If you are a good parent that builds a strong relationship with your children, then its not like your kid is going to play Call of Duty one morning then just up and then go on a killing rampage. In Canada and western Europe kids play the same games, yet their murder rates there are a fraction of what ours is.

The problem we have in this country is that as a society we are more selfish and materialistic than ever, and as a result, we have a lot of ****y parents. Anymore, "enrichment" for many kids consists of soccer practice. Other than that, their parents don't do anything with them, they don't build the respect and friendship with their kids that previous generations used to build with their kids. Our son at the age of eight has been on several backpacking and canoe trips, been fishing God knows how many times, has been to art museums, museums of natural history, has traveled with us, has been exposed to no telling how many different cultures.... Our daughter in the year and a half we have had her has done more with us than many of her friends in Kindergarten have in their entire lives with their parents. Most of our son's friends went fishing for the first time last fall in cub scouts at one of the pack meetings, many of them have never been camping, been to museums, been exposed to different cultures, taken with their parents on trips, and so on. When did we forget in this country that your kids are the best friends you will ever have? Its the self absorption in our society that has lead to this.
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Hitler probably played Wolfenstein 3D, but couldn't get past the Hitler level because he didn't want to kill himself...well, not yet anyway.
 
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