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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post

    Furthermore, if the child had the proper training and safety skills to use the weapon there isn't any reason why he shouldn't have it.
    I completely disagree with this. Children should not be allowed access to a gun without supervision, even if the gun is theirs.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The interesting thing to me is that he went to school after he shot her. You'd think a kid that was gonna shoot someone would then skip school too. Weird. He shot her and then left his little sister and went to class. It's also interesting that they were gonna charge him as an adult. An 11 year old is NOT an adult.

    I wonder if he was on medication. Many of these young boys are medicated and many of the medications are proven to cause violent aggressive behavior.

    Sad.
    Sad indeed but I do not believe he needs to be tried as an adult. He isn't an adult. He isn't even a teenager.

    Pennsylvania needs to curb its blood lust and work on helping the child heal and reform. Putting him in a cell with hardened criminals who will rape him and teach him to be a criminal isn't going to help the situation.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I completely disagree with this. Children should not be allowed access to a gun without supervision, even if the gun is theirs.
    Yeah, most kids that age go to the range with their parents.

    It's a commonality in rural America.

    I was merely trying to deal with the anti-gun gestapo in that statement.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't agree with that at all. First of all, he's 11 years old and while he may know what a firearm is and what it is used for, I doubt he has the maturity or capacity for understanding ideas like the permanence of death. Hell, most people don't come to understand the finer points of human mortality until their first big health scare.

    I don't think an 11 year old has the ability to participate in his defense or to fully understand his actions. If he were 13 or 14, different story but here you have a kid.
    I think an 11 year old understands death. However I don't think an 11 year old has the proper development to keep their emotions in check yet. Rage is hard for adults to control. Rage in a child is very dangerous. Not so much because they don't understand their actions but because they don't yet know how to get their emotions under control.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I disagree strongly. Thousands of people who claim not to the understand the consequences of their actions(such as the permanence of death) are tried as competent adults every year.
    That does nothing to diminish the fact that an 11 year old is not an adult.

    They can plead insanity(don't know the legal terminology) but that doesn't always fly in court.
    As well it shouldn't in many cases.

    It seems to me like this kid has everything needed to be tried as an adult.
    Except being an adult.

    Clear intent knowledge of what he was doing. It's not like he started crying. This kid just put his gun away decided to go on about his day like nothing had happened. From what we know of this it seems to me like he knew exactly what he was doing.
    Really? Because it seems to me to be a case of clear emotional disturbance of some kind. Being a child compounds that issue and mitigates the circumstances of the crime at least enough to keep him in the juvenile system.


    At what point do kids know that it's not okay to put a gun to the back of somebody's head and pull the trigger?
    Knowing right from wrong is not enough to put a child in the adult court system.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Says you and the rest of the anti-gun gestapo.

    Guns don't kill people --- PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

    Stop blaming guns for the way people use them.

    Furthermore, if the child had the proper training and safety skills to use the weapon there isn't any reason why he shouldn't have it.

    You need to consider the area where this event occurred. This is a rural part of the country. It's real common for young people to own a firearm.

    This horrific crime is not sufficient cause for anti-gun liberals to try and amend the Brady bill.

    So please cease your attack on the 2nd ammendment.
    I don't think anyone is blaming guns here, but rather the kid's access to guns. Obviously the parents were idiots for giving this kid access to a firearm. I had a gun when I was 12, but it was locked away in a gun cabinet where I had no access to it. This kid obviously had access to it.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That would depebd on how you define 'access'.
    My 11-yr old, should he be of a mind to do so, could cut my safe open.
    Why would your 11 year old be unsupervised long enough to accomplish that?
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Why would your 11 year old be unsupervised long enough to accomplish that?
    Or for that matter why is mom in bed sleeping while the kids are up getting ready for school?

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yet more liberal blood lust.
    Your emotions are acknowledge and ignored.

    The boy is 11 years old.
    Your reading comprehension is amazing.

    Trying him as an adult is unacceptable.
    Your opinion.

    He needs to stay in jail until he is 21 and then he needs a chance to rebuild his life.
    Because of.....what? Your opinion? Let him be tried as an adult as state laws demand.

    Moreover, you are not qualified to judge what is and is not "clear intent". You haven't talked to the boy, you don't know his mental condition, his living conditions, or his state of mind. You cannot make such an assessment without these items.
    No but involved in the in the case are :

    Pa. boy, 11, charged with killing pregnant woman - USATODAY.com

    "There was an issue with jealousy. He told my son stuff," said Houk's brother-in-law, Jason Kraner, 34. "He actually told my son that he wanted to do that to her."
    Anything the child said to police without council present is inadmissable anyway. The police are going to have to get another slap upside the head if they talked the boy into confessing.
    Talked the boy into confessing? Dude....he did it. End of story.

    Moreover, he's underage so the police erred when questioning him without a parent present. This too will be of use when his lawyer gets his "confession" tossed out.

    Finally, you shouldn't be so quick to toss a child to the wolves. He's 11 years old and he DOES NOT belong in an adult prison. That you think he does is just insane.
    I didn't say he belongs in adult prison. I say he should be tried as an adult. You don't get sent to a max security prison for being tried as an adult. How about. Instead of coming up with partisan based straw men you actually read what I said? There have been many of 'kids' tried as adults who don't see an adult jail until they turn 21. Your straw man is just that. As far as tossing this kid to the wolves. He tossed himself when he decided to kill his step mom.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Why would your 11 year old be unsupervised long enough to accomplish that?
    It would take 10 minutes.
    If you cannot leave your 11-yr old unsupervised for 10 minutes, there's something wrong with you or him or both of you.

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