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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    What has changed in the interim is the introduction of ultraviolent videogames into society.
    A helluva lot more has changed than that.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Owning a gun that is only available when supervised is not the same thing as access to a gun. Access would mean an unfettered ability to have said firearm in one's possesion unsupervised.
    Then we have very different definitions of 'access'. Another example. My wife has access to my cameras but she doesn't really 'own' them. But she has access to them. My wife can not, without my permission, take my cameras to a shop and sell them. But she can use them all she wants without my supervision. This kid owned his guns.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    What has changed in the interim is the introduction of ultraviolent videogames into society.
    That and about a million other things - not the least of which is the constant and continued erosion of the idea that you are responsible for yourself and your actions.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Whenever stories like this come up people are always looking for a scapegoat whether it be guns or video games or whatever. Perhaps the kid was just mentally unstable. Perhaps there was abuse going on in the household. I think it's silly to blame inanimate objects for crap like this.

    If videogames or guns were truly responsible for stuff like this these stories would occur far more often and would be far more widespread. Video games and guns don't suddenly make someone inclined to do stuff like this.
    Last edited by Dr_Patrick; 02-23-09 at 11:40 AM.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Millions of young people grow up in rural areas with a firearm(s) and never misuse it.
    And millions of young people play violent video games and never kill anyone.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes, that would have been better
    Sometimes I forget that what I say can be interpretted differently than what I mean.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    From your source :

    Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions



    The overwhelming majority of video game players are HABITUAL. They're not sitting in front of their screens 24/7 playing violent video games. Even the majority of WoW players aren't sitting in front of their screens for more then a few hours a week. And that is a game with millions of players. For a source claiming to debunk 'myths' on violent video gaming it seems ridiculous that they'd be missing data representing the majority of gamers.
    Two features of video games fuel renewed interest by researchers, public policy makers, and the general public.

    First, the active role required by video games is a double-edged sword. It helps educational video games be excellent teaching tools for motivational and learning process reasons. But, it also may make violent video games even more hazardous than violent television or cinema.

    Second, the arrival of a new generation of ultraviolent video games beginning in the early 1990s and continuing unabated to the present resulted in large numbers of children and youths actively participating in entertainment violence that went way beyond anything available to them on television or in movies.

    Recent video games reward players for killing innocent bystanders, police, and prostitutes, using a wide range of weapons including guns, knives, flame throwers, swords, baseball bats, cars, hands, and feet. Some include cut scenes (i.e., brief movie clips supposedly designed to move the story forward) of strippers. In some, the player assumes the role of hero, whereas in others the player is a criminal.
    Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Sometimes I forget that what I say can be interpretted differently than what I mean.
    I have that problem all the time

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    A helluva lot more has changed than that.
    What else has changed the attitudes and violent actions of our young people more than ultraviolent videogames?

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Then we have very different definitions of 'access'. Another example. My wife has access to my cameras but she doesn't really 'own' them. But she has access to them. My wife can not, without my permission, take my cameras to a shop and sell them. But she can use them all she wants without my supervision. This kid owned his guns.
    The definition of access in this context:

    b: freedom or ability to obtain or make use of something



    I can OWN something and not have access to it.

    For example, If I own a car in Kentucky, and I am in Illinois, I have no access to said vehicle, but my ownership of that vehicle is still a fact.

    If the parent buys the kid a gun, but puts it in a gunasafe, the kid does not have ACCESS to the gun (he does not have freedom to make use of it) even though he OWNS said gun.
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