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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That would depebd on how you define 'access'.
    My 11-yr old, should he be of a mind to do so, could cut my safe open.
    Maybe, but it wouldn't be an easy task to achieve without being caught. That'd be my guess.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So are you really gonna blame video games on this one? I don't think video games have any affect at this level. If an 11 year old is going to shoot someone in the back of the head, I think at that point there are much larger failing going on than video games. And there's no way that a video game would cause this behavior, or facilitate this behavior. You want to cite links to violence and maybe murder with video games, but video games is one of the largest industries and tons and tons of people play. You have some amount of violence and isolated murders, that can't be linked to video games. If video games caused anything, or contributed as a main factor you would see a much greater number of gamers out there committing crime. I've played video games since I was a kid, and I'm not out there shooting into the sky trying to stop space invaders or anything like that. To link video games to this crime in particular is ridiculous as you have no information on it. Data on links between video gaming and crime is specious at best, you might as well as if people who are predisposed to violent, criminal acts won't play violent video games. Of course they'd have predisposition to, but the video games didn't make them that way.

    No, this is not a video games fault, this is a failing on a huge level that primarily has to do with the parents. Society, school, social construct, friends and family...these things have a much higher impact on a child than video games. If you want to talk about video games being a problem and getting rid of them, then we might as well start talking about getting rid of guns. Because that gun that kid had did a HELL of a lot more to facilitate that crime than a video game ever could.

    Of course, I think banning either is stupid.
    If you read the OP you'll see that I don't blame this one on videogames but I do ask what is getting in America's young people's heads. And I suggest that videogames may be a factor in random violence.

    Some studies have yielded nonsignificant video game effects, just as some smoking studies failed to find a significant link to lung cancer. But when one combines all relevant empirical studies using meta-analytic techniques, five separate effects emerge with considerable consistency.

    Violent video games are significantly associated with: increased aggressive behavior, thoughts, and affect; increased physiological arousal; and decreased prosocial (helping) behavior.

    Average effect sizes for experimental studies (which help establish causality) and correlational studies (which allow examination of serious violent behavior) appear comparable (Anderson & Bushman, 2001).
    Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ....ummmm he doesn't have access to a firearm. It was apparently his firearm. That to me seems a lot different then having 'access' to firearms. For example if somebody came to my house. They'd have access to my furniture and be able to use it. They wouldn't own the furniture but they'd have access to it. This kid owned the firearm in question.

    Authorities: 11-year-old W.Pa. boy fatally shoots dad's pregnant girlfriend, heads to school
    Owning a gun that is only available when supervised is not the same thing as access to a gun. Access would mean an unfettered ability to have said firearm in one's possesion unsupervised.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    From your source :

    Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions

    Several major gaps remain in the violent video game literature. One especially large gap is the lack of longitudinal studies testing the link between habitual violent video game exposure and later aggression, while controlling for earlier levels of aggression and other risk factors. Indeed, of the four major types of empirical studies mentioned earlier, this is the only type missing. There are such studies focusing on television violence but none on video games.
    The overwhelming majority of video game players are HABITUAL. They're not sitting in front of their screens 24/7 playing violent video games. Even the majority of WoW players aren't sitting in front of their screens for more then a few hours a week. And that is a game with millions of players. For a source claiming to debunk 'myths' on violent video gaming it seems ridiculous that they'd be missing data representing the majority of gamers.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Maybe, but it wouldn't be an easy task to achieve without being caught. That'd be my guess.
    That, too, is situational.
    Fact is, if a kid wants to get a gun, YOUR gun, he can. "Access" is, therefore, relative.

    The way to prevent things like this is teaching kids how to properly deal with whatever problems they may have.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I didn't want to turn this into a potential anti-gun thread by bringing that up, but yeah, it's pretty glaring, isn't it? If the kid could access the gun, then the dad was just out of touch to begin with. Sorry, had to say it.
    I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-****ty parenting. HUGE difference. ****ty parents like this wreak havock on responsible gun-owners who do not let their kids have shotguns in their rooms.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That, too, is situational.
    Fact is, if a kid wants to get a gun, YOUR gun, he can. "Access" is, therefore, relative.

    The way to prevent things like this is teaching kids how to properly deal with whatever problems they may have.
    True, but this kid had teh shotgun in his room. Perhaps I should have said "unfettered access".

    Making sure the weapons are in a safe is being a responsible parent. Allowing an 11-year-old unresticted access to a shotgun? ****ty parenting.

    What I mean by access is that in this case, it appears that there were no safeguards in place.
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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I didn't want to turn this into a potential anti-gun thread by bringing that up, but yeah, it's pretty glaring, isn't it? If the kid could access the gun, then the dad was just out of touch to begin with. Sorry, had to say it.
    Millions of young people grow up in rural areas with a firearm(s) and never misuse it.

    Our nation was built around every able bodied person in the household being able to help catch game and defend the family, if need be, as early as possible.

    What has changed in the interim is the introduction of ultraviolent videogames into society.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Why bring video games into it when they have nothing to do with it? You don't even have proof that the kid played video games. I realize you have your own personal anti-video game agenda but this is getting kind of ridiculous.

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    Re: PA 11-Year-Old Shoots His Dadís Pregnant Girlfriend

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    True, but this kid had teh shotgun in his room. Perhaps I should have said "unfettered access".
    Yes, that would have been better

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