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    UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'
    Mark Townsend
    The Observer, Sunday 22 February 2009

    A shocking new report alleges widespread complicity between British security agents and their Pakistani counterparts who have routinely engaged in the torture of suspects. In the study, which will be published next month by the civil liberties group Human Rights Watch, at least 10 Britons are identified who have been allegedly tortured in Pakistan and subsequently questioned by UK intelligence officials. It warns that more British cases may surface and that the issue of Pakistani terrorism suspects interrogated by British agents is likely to "run much deeper".

    Ali Dayan Hasan, who led the Pakistan-based inquiry, said sources within the country's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), the Intelligence Bureau and the military security services had provided "confirmation and information" relating to British collusion in the interrogation of terrorism suspects.

    Hasan said the Human Rights Watch (HRW) evidence collated from Pakistan intelligence officials indicated a "systemic" modus operandi among British security services, involving a significant number of UK agents from MI5 rather than maverick elements. Different agents were deployed to interview different suspects, many of whom alleged that prior to interrogation by British officials they were tortured by Pakistani agents.
    Source: Guardian UK

    This one is for some of our EU members who love to bash the US for condoning torture. Pot... meet kettle.

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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    Still nothing from the Euromopes. Strange how that works.

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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Still nothing from the Euromopes. Strange how that works.
    Isn't it.
    I wonder what valuable info they got from their suspects.

    I thought that stuff didn't work.
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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    The British are real bastards, I hope Muslims burn many UK flags.
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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Source: Guardian UK

    This one is for some of our EU members who love to bash the US for condoning torture. Pot... meet kettle.
    Oh...we handed prisoners over to the Belgians in Somalia. And the French "interrogated" their own. This whole "torture" stage our friends chose to celebrate and glorify through hypocritic cries and screams was always more farce and misdirection than truth. And all their accusations and demands for explanations was merely about a wish for Americans to have to answer to Europeans.

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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    And? There is one hell of a difference between questioning a person tortured by someone else in another country than doing the actual torture in your own backyard.

    I sickens me that the Brits questioned a person they knew had been tortured, but it does not surprise me one bit that it goes on. Plausible deniablity or whatever its called.. an excuse that is used constantly in our twisted world and used through out the ages.

    And in a crazy world where the lines are blurred between what is right and wrong and what is good and bad, one can have some comfort in the fact that the UK did not actively torture these men according to the reports or anyone else as far as we know

    However there is still the question about Gitmo and the UK actively participating in torture there, but we do not know yet the extent of their participation there, but we do have enough to suspect it was possibly more than just "questioning" people after the fact.. and THAT will be a far bigger scandal and shock than this frankly if we ever find out the truth.

    So yes, Europe still holds a somewhat "moral superiority" over the US and Israel in the case of torture, even though that "moral superiority" is getting eroded with every investigation and scandal.. we have as of yet in this war of terror.. I mean on terror, actively tortured people on our own soil and in our own prisons as far as we know and that is a significant difference to the US and Israel. We also don't claim that some techniques are "not torture" when they so clearly are.
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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So yes, Europe still holds a somewhat "moral superiority" over the US and Israel in the case of torture, even though that "moral superiority" is getting eroded with every investigation and scandal.. we have as of yet in this war of terror.. I mean on terror, actively tortured people on our own soil and in our own prisons as far as we know and that is a significant difference to the US and Israel.

    Complete ignorance. You people are among the most hypocritical in history.....

    The French Armed Forces made a systematic and indiscriminate use of torture during the Algerian War of Independence (1954-62), creating a public controversy which is far from having been stifled today. Although the Algerian National Liberation Front (FLN) also engaged in violent acts and some of those cases of torture have been registered, it was never systematized and developed as it had been by the French military. Pierre Vidal-Naquet estimates hundred of thousands of Algerians were tortured by the French military.

    .....Thus, the military did not consider themselves tied by the Geneva Conventions, ratified by France in 1951
    Torture during the Algerian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hmmmmm....hundreds of thousands? Yet, a few possible cases in GITMO and frat party behavior in Abu Graib is supposed to be the example of tyranny and evil? Some allegedlies and a just the hint of torture by American personel and Europe casts stones and builds a pulpit? You people exist just to pull America down to your levels. But we are supposed to label you as our "moral superiority?"


    The French in Algiers, the Belgians in Somalia, Germans in Germany, today's secret prisons in Europe......your "superiority" is false and it is typical of Europeans to exaggerate the issues of America in an attempt to forgive your own behaviors. With hundreds of thousands freely tortured in Algeria by the French.....you people, especially the pathetic French, find the nerve to complain about a possible handful of individuals that may or may not have been tortured depending on whose defintion?

    "As far as you know"......what a joke. You do know. You choose to lie about it and drag America through the mud you create. It's the same old European attitude. In your quest to deny the house that your kind exist in, you choose to exaggerate the few rusty nails in America to feel better about yourselves and to project the same old typical anti-Americanism. From colonizing the world, dividing tribes, forcing tribes to live together, starting two world wars, hosting the Cold War, a continued love affair for dictators, and vast genocides and torture along the way......you stand and pretend that a few recent stumbled American cases now vindicate you and that we must answer to the like of you? Didn't Spain just evolve out of a dictatorship? I wonder how many of your countrymen were tortured and executed by your own countrymen.

    You talk of differences. The difference is that we judge ourselves and demand better. The American military has always been subjected to the Geneva Convention. America is an original signatory. It takes outside sources to stop genocide inside Europe, not once, but again fifty years later in Bosnia. And none of you demand better of your own...even as hundreds of thousands of Muslims are tortured systematically and as a matter of policy. But today you accuse America of conducting a genocide upon Muslims or conducting a war against Islam, despite the obvious truths right in everybody's faces.

    And today you people criticize secret prisons in Europe even as your government's deny them. "As far as you know" is a joke at best.
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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Source: Guardian UK

    This one is for some of our EU members who love to bash the US for condoning torture. Pot... meet kettle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Still nothing from the Euromopes. Strange how that works.
    Tashah, I just love how you post this thread on a Sunday morning and are surprised when other people are too busy living their lives to answer you straight away.

    You and Newt Gingrich, oi. We need a function that polls who's actually online when someone tries something like this.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'



    Okay.

    1. Nice bait thread. Gotta love them, no matter what side of the ocean they're posted from. Very entertaining technique.

    2. ROFLMAO at ANY European who claims we have the moral high ground. Gotta be pretty naive to actually believe the bull**** that our governments try to shove down our throats. Is there REALLY anyone out there who thinks that European intelligence agencies don't either torture or are up to their necks in complicity with those who do??? Seriously, people, stop making excuses for something that is inexcusable.

    3. GySgt, do you ever wake up at night with a funny taste in your mouth? It's called hate produced bile. We have people like that over here too. They're almost as entertaining as this thread. Are you trying to one-up PeteEU? Is this what this is about? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Americans... "you people" are funny... always wanting to be number one at everything.

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    Re: UK agents 'colluded with torture in Pakistan'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And? There is one hell of a difference between questioning a person tortured by someone else in another country than doing the actual torture in your own backyard.
    ****ing priceless.

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