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    Re: BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    type this in google and dont press enter, and tell me what the last thing it suggests.



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    It's really weird that you would know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    It's really weird that you would know that.
    That thought crossed my mind too....

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    Re: BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

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    Yeah, I'm sure that's it. Next time you post your partisan crap to a thread that has nothing to do with politics do this: Press delete.
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    Re: BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    that was exactly my first thought
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    West Coast...more like GAY COAST!
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Unfortunantly, when you have a knife at your throat, you don't have a helluva lotta time to hold court and determine if the crime is a capitol offense or not.

    study long, study wrong.

    Kudos to victim! To hell with the perp. Too bad for the dad but there is no one to blame but his kid and possibly the parents who raised him to be an armed robber. Wah-Wah-Wah....
    Undoubtedly the victim should not be charged with anything; I would never suggest such a thing. I was referring to to where the article states that the second kid, Veliz, will be charged with the murder of Gonzalez, his posthumous accomplice, under the rationale that the blood of a person committing a felony should be on the hands of his nearby friends (or so I've gathered). So, specifically, they will be blaming, and charging, Veliz for the death of the perp.

    At risk of breaking up the party and being labeled as a bleeding heart, ruthless-criminal sympathizer, I'm saying that I'm not sure Veliz should be charged with more than armed robbery without further comprehension of the circumstances. Did Veliz coerce Gonzalez into being an accomplice? That would change things, but then it doesn't seem there would be any reliable way of obtaining that information. I don't know, but I remain unconvinced.
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    Re: BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

    Quote Originally Posted by SWM View Post
    Undoubtedly the victim should not be charged with anything; I would never suggest such a thing. I was referring to to where the article states that the second kid, Veliz, will be charged with the murder of Gonzalez, his posthumous accomplice, under the rationale that the blood of a person committing a felony should be on the hands of his nearby friends (or so I've gathered). So, specifically, they will be blaming, and charging, Veliz for the death of the perp.

    At risk of breaking up the party and being labeled as a bleeding heart, ruthless-criminal sympathizer, I'm saying that I'm not sure Veliz should be charged with more than armed robbery without further comprehension of the circumstances. Did Veliz coerce Gonzalez into being an accomplice? That would change things, but then it doesn't seem there would be any reliable way of obtaining that information. I don't know, but I remain unconvinced.
    The rationale behind the felony-murder rule is that if during the course of a felony, someone is killed, the other participants in the felony can be charged with murder. The purpose of it is to deter criminals from being reckless and to hold people responsible for the risks they take.

    If four people are robbing a bank and one guy shoots the teller, all are guilty of murder. It also applies in cases where none of the parties intended to commit murder, such as when the bank robbers are fleeing the scene and hit someone with their car - 4 counts of murder.

    The reason it applies (as it should) here is because the surviving kid decided to take an action that he knew could have resulted in the death of himself, the victim, or his accomplice. He took that risk, someone ended up dead, and he'll be convicted of murder for it.
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    The parents of both thugs should be arrested and charged for raising criminals....And the thought of even thinking of arresting the victim .. and this was done in the olden days.....yes, even today, it is a near crime for a man to defend himself.......this must end.....
    Kudos to the victim for fighting back..

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    Re: BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    You come across more as a LIBERAL CENTRIST.

    Well, if I told you what you come across as I would most likely get an infraction; so I will just say go back and reread your post and make sure you flush on the way out.
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