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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

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    LOL...a lot longer than a few weeks...It's not like it just came up the day before yesterday...
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    lets argue a separate point than the one that Obama promised to make bills available 5 days before signing it. he did not,
    YOU made the request
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und
    Link to where I could view any version of this bill 5 days before the One signed it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und
    Not this one, it was error 404 until tuesday. you can search here to see us diuscussing this fact on numerous occasions.
    Not for all of the two months since it was introduced 1-6-09.

    As far as the dates and times it was error 404, I didn't take notes. Did you?
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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What freedom is there in political speech when one side is shut out?
    Liberals already have most major television news organizations in their back pocket, as well as newspapers, and NPR on radio, although FOX news kicks ass in all cable markets. Since news is generally the smaller part of television air time, it's easy to use the glitz of TV and popular actors to indoctrinate so much of the public who do not search for political conversation (see the pretty colors... just keep staring at the idiot tube while we tell you what to think... we're actors, we almost finished high school, we know what's best for you). The free market has proven that a majority of thinking individuals lean towards conservative and libertarian talk shows. Why else would Air America fail so miserably?

    Many of you will disagree with me, but even very conservative talk show hosts like Limbaugh and Hannity occasionally let their opponents have their say. When's the last time you saw a rebuttal to Comrade Couric's ever-liberal viewpoints? Many of the talk show hosts branded as conservative actually are libertarian in their viewpoints (Neal Boortz comes to mind). Remember how the New York Times refused McCain's op-ed piece following their publishing of Obama's op-ed.

    Don't try to pretend like one side (liberals) is shut out!
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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's partisan because there is no majority support for the FD in congress or the President.

    It's a waste of time and a witch hunt by the right. Purely partisan.
    If Obama reverses his anti-FD stance (a very plausible event), the democratic lemmings will follow him over the cliff.
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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    If Obama reverses his anti-FD stance (a very plausible event), the democratic lemmings will follow him over the cliff.
    Says who? You? You'll forgive me if I don't follow the same paranoia of partisan conservatives and join in on the "The sky is falling" chicken little antics.

    The simple FACT is the majority of liberals and Dems do not support the FD.

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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    YOU made the request






    Not for all of the two months since it was introduced 1-6-09.

    As far as the dates and times it was error 404, I didn't take notes. Did you?



    well I have been asking for at least a month.... i can only say it was not available that time frame.
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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine


    so a news headline is your proof? noted.


    Or are you going to argue now that a bill seeking to alleviate economic emergency is not emergency legislation?

    Are you arguing it is an excuse for him not to post it as he promised in his campaign "5 days before signing it"?


    I will wait.





    I don't have to because that's not what I said.



    I didn't say it was. I said drafts of this bill had been available for weeks to all members of congress. Thanks for proving your over reliance on straw man.


    straw man would be you now moving the goal posts to "members of congress".... thanks for playing.





    This bill banning fairness doctrine bans people from using the right to petition to bring up the Fairness doctrine. Do you not understand that yet?


    A bill banning the introduction of an unconstitutional law seems fine with me....


    I find your hypocrisy rather humerous here.
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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is the right move. The unconstitutional Fairness doctrine has been bubbling under the surface, from Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, and even though Obama says he is not for its reinstatment, he can't stop himself from talking about radio personalities like Rush...


    So lets put the banning of the idea to a vote.


    This is something I fully support. The abolishment of anything pertaining to stifling political talk in violation of the 1st amendment.


    What say you?
    I say DeMint is being an idiot partisan for wanting to do this. If it's put to a vote, it would almost certainly pass in both houses of Congress, and it would put Obama on the spot where he might actually have to sign it.

    Then we would have a law which DeMint ostensibly opposes, but it would be his fault for it being implemented in the first place. In other words, he's putting his desire to one-up the Democrats ahead of his desire for good policy.

    Why not just let the issue go away now that Obama has come out against it?
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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is the right move. The unconstitutional Fairness doctrine has been bubbling under the surface, from Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, and even though Obama says he is not for its reinstatment, he can't stop himself from talking about radio personalities like Rush...

    So lets put the banning of the idea to a vote.

    This is something I fully support. The abolishment of anything pertaining to stifling political talk in violation of the 1st amendment.

    What say you?
    The Fairness Doctrine and back door policies like it are contrary to a Capitalist market system, so I oppose it.

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    Re: Senator to Force Vote on Bill Banning Fairness Doctrine

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why is the far right so scared of the FD?
    Because its not about Fairness, its specifically aimed at nothing but removing the one area of the market where Conservative speech has done better.

    Its not aimed at magazines.

    Its not aimed at newspapers.

    Its not aimed at TV.

    The ONLY thing the Fairness Doctrine focuses on is Talk Radio. Do those other things not need to be "Fair"? Who determines "Fair"?

    It is nothing but a political stunt to force businesses to essentially remove conservative talk from its radio stations because the alternative is less profitable.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What freedom is there in political speech when one side is shut out?
    The freedom of the market place. Individual freedom of enterprise. The left isn't "Shut out" of talk radio because of some government imposed sanction. If that was the case, the left wing talk personalities on air wouldn't be there. If that was the case, air america would've never came to be.

    They're shut out because of the MARKET. Left Wing talk radio has shown that it does not create the same kind of ratings and thus does not get the same kind of advertising money as Right Wing talk radio. As such, BUSINESSES decide it is better to put on the people who actually bring money to the station rather than the other.

    That is capitalism, that is business, that is part of what America is about.

    It is not the governments place to come in and tell a privately run business that the GOVERNMENT thinks they're not being fair, so they must remove some of their profitable programming to instead put on programming that gets lower ratings, lower advertising revenue, and as such ALSO causes lower carry over to the following show.

    No one's free speech is REVOKED in this case. Any liberal talk radio show host that is on the air now, that shows himself to garner enough ratings and revenue in his market could pitch his show to another market and hope to get on, and so on and so forth. The exact same way the Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity's of the world did it. Within the market place.

    Indeed, the only way someones free speech in some way shape or form would be revoked was if the fairness doctrine was passed, in which case the radio stations right to free speech by choosing what they wished to air on their radio station would be infringed.

    There is nothing "Fair" about the fairness doctrine. Its unfair to business, its unfair to radio, and its unfair to the constitution.

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