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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If that was true, why does Iran refuse to give its most advanced and powerful weapons it currently has to terrorists?

    Why does Iran limit itself to relatively unsophisticated weapons that most 3rd world countries can build themselves? Why no advanced surface to surface missiles? Why no advanced mines? Why does it limit its support to mundane tools?

    You are saying that Iran will give terrorists the pinnacle of its military arsenal when it has for decades refused to give terrorists its most advanced weapons.

    And you are saying that Iran will be the first country in history to release control over its nuclear arsenal.

    And if Iran really wanted to kill Jews, it would have eliminated the 20,000 and growing population within Iran.
    A ship from Iran carrying explosives and other illegal arms was prevented from reaching Syria. Syria is a known weapons smuggling route for Hamas and Hezballah.

    Where do you think those weapons were going?

    Wake up and smell the roses.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I think the world at large would prefer that Iran not be allowed nuclear technology.
    Or you could divvy all nukes to all countries equally and either we will have global peace in a week or no one will be here in a week.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Or you could divvy all nukes to all countries equally and either we will have global peace in a week or no one will be here in a week.
    The point is that we do not want the lunatics in Iran to have those weapons.

    Why do you not understand that?

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The point is that we do not want the lunatics in Iran to have those weapons.

    Why do you not understand that?
    Why do you think I not understand the point you are trying to make? The points you like to use seem to be attached to a revolving door.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    A ship from Iran carrying explosives and other illegal arms was prevented from reaching Syria. Syria is a known weapons smuggling route for Hamas and Hezballah.

    Where do you think those weapons were going?

    Wake up and smell the roses.
    Way to ignore my post entirely.

    Let's see what I wrote:

    "Why does Iran limit itself to relatively unsophisticated weapons that most 3rd world countries can build themselves?"

    That suggests I did say Iran does give weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah, but that the weapons they give are unsophisticated.

    Come back when you are ready to talk about what people write rather then your outright and obvious fabrications of what they wrote.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    there is currently no evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program (which is pretty hard to hide).
    Of course there's no evidence the Iranians are working on nuclear weapons. Once you over look their unceasing and expanding efforts to enrich the nuclear explosive material and once you overlook their efforts in developing an ICBM system, demonstrated to be successful just a month ago, sure there's not a shred of evidence they're enriching uranium and making ICBM's.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, you are talking to people who have backed Bush and his utter failure to frankly do anything about terrorist nuclear weapon proliferation.
    Yeah, so many cities have been so utterly destroyed by terrorists with nukes in their carry-on luggage it's just too discouraging to talk about it.

    And I haven't even begun to mention all those tewwible shoe-nukes. Oh my.

    Why didn't Bush do anything to prevent those tragedies?

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Based on the fact that America's the only country in the history of civilization to use an atomic weapon, and not just one, but two......
    Right.

    The US has proven it's ability to use nuclear weapons responsibly.

    Can't say that about Iran, a nation that encourages muslims the world over to load their kids up with high explosive and go to the mall...

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, so many cities have been so utterly destroyed by terrorists with nukes in their carry-on luggage it's just too discouraging to talk about it.
    By that reasoning, Pre-911, we shouldn't have bothered with cabin security on planes.

    And I haven't even begun to mention all those tewwible shoe-nukes. Oh my.
    Generally, it's a bad idea to mock someone who has shown a long history of detailed understanding of such a problem. Hence, cut your antics out.

    Russia has literally thousands of ready to use nuclear weapons without the security protocols built into US weapons. They can take a warhead off of a missile after either breaking into the silo or merely bribing the poorly paid guard. And they can use it without having to use a PAL. During the Yeltsin era, over a 100 nuclear weapons went missing. Russia just lost count of them. Furthermore, Russia is sitting on thousands of tons of HEU as are its former satellites. The Belgrade facility which Ted Turner help secure with funding had enough highly enriched uranium to build several gun types and was secured with a single rusty pad lock. No guards. Just a run of the mill pad lock. The biggest problem with building a gun type weapon is getting the enriched material. FSU states are sitting on huge quantities with virtually no protection from theft. And we know that Bin Laden has attempted to get nuclear weapons either by building a gun type or by outright theft from FSU states. Furthermore, the prevalence of car bombs has made it exceptionally easy to sneak a weapon in and use it against a city. Coupled with international shipping that is cheap, reliable and ubiquitous the danger goes even higher. A terrorist doesn't even need to get the weapon on to our shores. Merely have it timed to go off as the ship enters a large port could kill millions. And lining the cargo container with lead will defeat radiation detectors. The risk is astronomical. It's partially a reason I believe there's a God. Nothing else has stopped the Terrorists from hitting us.

    Why didn't Bush do anything to prevent those tragedies?
    Good question. Why did Bush attempt to defund the CTR? Why did Bush refuses to act on plans to accelerate the conversion of Russian warheads to MOX? Why did the Bush administration do nothing to secure sites containing HEU and plutonium across the planet? Why did Bush do nothing to promote the thorium fuel cycle which exponentially eliminates proliferation threats?
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    By that reasoning, Pre-911, we shouldn't have bothered with cabin security on planes.
    Sorry, I don't waste time on the sarcasm codes, if you can't see it, you don't see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Generally, it's a bad idea to mock someone who has shown a long history of detailed understanding of such a problem. Hence, cut your antics out.
    Which long history of which problem?

    I'm pretty certain I know more about the construction of nuclear weapons than anyone else here. I understand those problems fully and can tell when Iran's loading up another oxcart of manure to throw to the Western butt-lickers that WANT TO BELIEVE Iran's stated peaceful intentions.

    I understand Iran's continued irrational urge to destroy Isreal. Actually, I can't it's irrational, but they have it nonetheless. But what's not debatable is that Iran has been exporting terrorism ever since the religious fanatics took over the place, and it's not debatable that it's stupid to let them continue their nuclear weapons program....it's even more stupid to deny they have one.

    Pakistan has nukes....why? Because India has them.

    India has them....why? China, in large part, and Pakistan, too, with which they've had a number of wars.

    Iran wants nukes because...why? They're nuts. With the successful establishment of a democratic republic in Iraq, the opportunities for peaceful economic development across the entire region have never been greater...but Iran is still developing nuclear weapons.

    No sane person can see any reason to trust them.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Russia has literally thousands of ready to use nuclear weapons without the security protocols built into US weapons. They can take a warhead off of a missile after either breaking into the silo or merely bribing the poorly paid guard. And they can use it without having to use a PAL. During the Yeltsin era, over a 100 nuclear weapons went missing. Russia just lost count of them. Furthermore, Russia is sitting on thousands of tons of HEU as are its former satellites. The Belgrade facility which Ted Turner help secure with funding had enough highly enriched uranium to build several gun types and was secured with a single rusty pad lock. No guards. Just a run of the mill pad lock. The biggest problem with building a gun type weapon is getting the enriched material. FSU states are sitting on huge quantities with virtually no protection from theft. And we know that Bin Laden has attempted to get nuclear weapons either by building a gun type or by outright theft from FSU states. Furthermore, the prevalence of car bombs has made it exceptionally easy to sneak a weapon in and use it against a city. Coupled with international shipping that is cheap, reliable and ubiquitous the danger goes even higher. A terrorist doesn't even need to get the weapon on to our shores. Merely have it timed to go off as the ship enters a large port could kill millions. And lining the cargo container with lead will defeat radiation detectors. The risk is astronomical. It's partially a reason I believe there's a God. Nothing else has stopped the Terrorists from hitting us.

    Think we should nuke Russia tonight?

    The terrorists don't have nuclear weapons. Let's see...."oh, Obama...er Osama, can I borrow one of the bombs today? I want to go visit New York."

    "NO. Allah says you can't. Go borrow the airplanes."

    Yeahl, right. If the terrorists had a functioning bomb in their mitts, they would have blown up London, Singapore, Washington, Los Angeles, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, or Jerusalem long before now. I mean, they do it to prove their dicks are bigger, which, I hear, really impresses the 72 virgin goats they get up there in Paradise, and who can have a dick bigger than the guy who rides the bomb to heaven, just like Slim Pickens?




    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Good question. Why did Bush attempt to defund the CTR? Why did Bush refuses to act on plans to accelerate the conversion of Russian warheads to MOX? Why did the Bush administration do nothing to secure sites containing HEU and plutonium across the planet? Why did Bush do nothing to promote the thorium fuel cycle which exponentially eliminates proliferation threats?
    Because Bush is an idiot.

    Go ahead, refute that one.

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