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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    They was one way to pussy foot around the answer to my question.
    And the other way was to what? Make silly predictions like "if we used nukes in Korea then Russia would/would_not use nukes in response". Its really pointless. But we can go down that route if you really think its worth trying.


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    You are drawing connections that are not there.
    I never said anything about us "stopping the influence" in the ME countries. Infact, I don't think that is a possible option... It is what it is and what it is is that we are a large influence on M.E. and the World in general.
    Well the original question was "what is Iran's goal for gaining nuclear weapons?" Because they can't reach the US with them, only Israel.



    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    All countries test their weaponry.
    Of course. Now put the rest of the pieces of the puzzle together: long range missiles (includes testing) + nuclear weapons + hate for America + America in range of long range missiles + obsession for reuniting the South by force and by all costs.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

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    And the other way was to what? Make silly predictions like "if we used nukes in Korea then Russia would/would_not use nukes in response". Its really pointless. But we can go down that route if you really think its worth trying.
    No, you are simply insisting that the Iranian authorities are, somehow, more willing to nuke an enemy than Korea or the fmr. Soviet Union (during their day).

    Well the original question was "what is Iran's goal for gaining nuclear weapons?" Because they can't reach the US with them, only Israel.
    Load of b.s. They secretly built a satellite, our intelligence about the Iranian government seems almost non-existence.

    Of course. Now put the rest of the pieces of the puzzle together: long range missiles (includes testing) + nuclear weapons + hate for America + America in range of long range missiles + obsession for reuniting the South by force and by all costs.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    No, you are simply insisting that the Iranian authorities are, somehow, more willing to nuke an enemy than Korea or the fmr. Soviet Union (during their day).
    No I'm not. I'm just arguing that yourt statement that the US is. I'm not making a positive claim. You have assumed I am

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Load of b.s. They secretly built a satellite
    That what N Korea claims too. " Just launching satellites. nothing to see here. Move along. "

    And, "just making power plants for our people. Nothing to see here."

    How many times do the same lines have to be used before people get a clue?
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    No I'm not. I'm just arguing that yourt statement that the US is. I'm not making a positive claim. You have assumed I am
    Oh come on!
    I never said anything about the United State being more willing to nuke another country that's your lack of comprehension of my posts.
    I did, however, say that historical records do show that United States is the most LIKELY, based on records alone, candidate to use a nuclear weapon.
    You are inferring that I have some how made it the will of the United States to nuke a country. That is absurd. The difference between who is most likely and who is most willing is astounding.

    That what N Korea claims too. " Just launching satellites. nothing to see here. Move along. "

    And, "just making power plants for our people. Nothing to see here."

    How many times do the same lines have to be used before people get a clue?
    Again,
    Yet Iran is sane, and the N. Korean authorities are bat-**** crazy?
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Oh come on!
    I never said anything about the United State being more willing to nuke another country that's your lack of comprehension of my posts.
    I did, however, say that historical records do show that United States is the most LIKELY, based on records alone, candidate to use a nuclear weapon.
    You are inferring that I have some how made it the will of the United States to nuke a country. That is absurd. The difference between who is most likely and who is most willing is astounding.
    Even so I still think your claim that we are more LIKELY is specious at best.

    Again,
    Yet Iran is sane, and the N. Korean authorities are bat-**** crazy?
    Perhaps you can address my reasoning instead of being dismissive? Or is that asking too much?
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Even so I still think your claim that we are more LIKELY is specious at best.
    Again you are taking it out of context. Let me help you understand my argument,as reading does not seem to increase comprehension...

    If you were to make an educated decision, based upon history, who would most likely use a nuclear weapon, then America would be the most likely.
    However, if you were to add in other factors, such as economic alienation, domestic and foreign disputes, etc, then it would change the entire element of who would be "most likely".

    Meaning, the "most likely" candidate is pure perception. I mean, I am sure there is some intelligence in some central agency in some North American continent that would say otherwise. But that is not for us to try and consider, as it is not our job to know who may or may not blow up who. It is our job to pray that those who are responsible are held responsible (it is also our duty to pick up on the hints that declassified information proposes, buttttt I am fairly certain it is not that easy; keep the public focused on the magic)
    Perhaps you can address my reasoning instead of being dismissive? Or is that asking too much?
    I can't because there is no reasoning involved.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    If you were to make an educated decision, based upon history, who would most likely use a nuclear weapon, then America would be the most likely.
    However, if you were to add in other factors, such as economic alienation, domestic and foreign disputes, etc, then it would change the entire element of who would be "most likely".
    If you disregard enough factors and narrow your vision enough you can argue nearly any absurd idea, correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    But that is not for us to try and consider, as it is not our job to know who may or may not blow up who. It is our job to pray that those who are responsible are held responsible (it is also our duty to pick up on the hints that declassified information proposes, buttttt I am fairly certain it is not that easy; keep the public focused on the magic)
    I can agree there. And I would argue that smaller unstable states such as Israel, Pakistan, and Iran are much more likely to use nukes because such weapons are only used in desperate times. Considering that the US has no global opposing power at the moment and Iran, Israel, and Pakistan are going through difficult times it becomes obvious they are much stronger candidates.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If you disregard enough factors and narrow your vision enough you can argue nearly any absurd idea, correct.

    I can agree there. And I would argue that smaller unstable states such as Israel, Pakistan, and Iran are much more likely to use nukes because such weapons are only used indesperate times. Considering that the US has no global opposing power at the moment and Iran, Israel, and Pakistan are going through difficult times it becomes obvious they are much stronger candidates.
    in Bold: What desperate times for Iran? They are getting everything they want, because people fear their rhetoric.

    Italics: I'd consider Al Quedia a global opposition.

    You listed Pakistan, why not list India?
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

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    You listed Pakistan, why not list India?
    India appears to be stabilizing itself.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    India appears to be stabilizing itself.
    The Indian government has no real control over it's country.
    I don't think stability plays on foreign policy as such. America is by far the most stable country in the world, and it's one of the most war-prone ones (war prone in the sense, that someone is always willing to duke it out with her).
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