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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Given how the U.S. deals with nuclear (and terrorist supporting countries) like Pakistan, it is no wonder why every ME country wants nukes.

    It is most likely Osama Bin Ladin is in Pakistan, why doesn't the U.S. do something about it? Oh yeah, they have gone nuclear.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make that connection and why every country wants to go nuclear.
    Hmm. What did I say?
    There are those here that will -never- comdemn Iran for building a bomb.

    These people fall into two groups:
    Those that believe the US is the cause of most problems in the world;
    Those that look forward to the destruction of Israel.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm. What did I say?
    There are those here that will -never- comdemn Iran for building a bomb.

    These people fall into two groups:
    Those that believe the US is the cause of most problems in the world;
    Those that look forward to the destruction of Israel.
    Israel can and will take care of itself. While the bluster goes on about Iran's collection of low grade uranium, the real nuclear threat continues to build and stockpile plutonium weapons while AlQaeda and the Taliban seize and hold territory close to its capital.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Given the numerous posts here, I do know how it works. What is clear is that you clearly don't have a clue.



    Incorrect. The step they are at is about 1,000 + lbs of LEU, which as Arch pointed out can be made into a weapon by excessive use of neutron deflectors and shaped charges. The problem with that is largely weight.
    No one makes nukes out of LEU, you take that and enrich it...

    Obviously... you have no clue here.
    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You clearly don't understand the difference between LEU and HEU and what they both entail in producing a weapon.

    Perhaps, but it makes more sense to produce HEU from the start rather then making LEU and then enriching it into HEU which is longer, more costly and less in line with a weapons production facility. If you had any understanding of history, you'd know that both the US and Britain had dedicated facilities specifically designed to churn out weapons grade material. That ain't Iran. [/quote]
    And you don't understand how Uranium Enrichment works... LEU is a used to make either HEU or Plutonium... damn... and Pu is a much better weapons material.



    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Hardly. Fatman is fundamentally no different then what Iran is doing aside from being plutonium rather then uranium based. And explosives weren't difference. The same principles for shaped charged and neutron deflectors are the same as today abet with better milling processes. To produce a weapon from LEU would require huge amounts of additional shaped charges and deflectors, all adding additional weight.
    That's why you further enrich the uranium... and yeah most of Fat man was the CONVENTIONAL side. Note the Davy Crockett weapon I showed you in that fun video... it's 180lbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Like I said, Iran's going to need a semitruck to deliver such a weapon.
    That's why they won't use LEU.. they'll refine it further... durrrr.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's because our weapons are fusion based and fusion does not occur at room temperature. A fission reaction is required to produce the correct level of temperature to allow fusion to occur. Iran is not building a fusion weapon.
    Really... they aren't? You sure? Got proof?


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You do realize that weapon was more or less suicide for whoever used it no? Furthermore, the yield on such a weapon was absolutely tiny compared to what we have today. Not to mention that the weapon was an implosion type. Being a single millimeter off in a shape charge will cause the weapon to fail. It's quite a feat of engineering that we actually managed to build such a small implosion type weapon in the first place.
    It's really not a big deal, the physics are straight forward... it's just a matter of getting the material to implode fast enough and retain it's shape.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Come again? You think that a .1 kiloton blast could produce the necessary heat to sustain a fusion reaction from large amounts of HEU?
    I believe my point was that it doesn't take much to start a fission reaction, and a multi-stage thermonuclear weapon... you really think they are very big? MIRV's were small, thermonuclear warheads... 150-250kt yields... small fission triggers... it really doesn't take that much to kick off a fusion reaction.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    MAYBE. But it's real questionable that such a small fission reaction will produce sufficient neutrons among other radiation necessary to cause fusion.
    It would be bigger then a .1-.3kt, but not much, again the point was to show how small a nuke could be. Hell we had made nuclear land mines with yields up to 15Kt...

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    OC, I know the difference between Fission weapons, I know the difference between gun and implosion, I know that Pu sucks for gun type weapons... and they are bulky sob's.

    I also find it hilarious you believe Iran is somehow rationale, and wouldn't ever use a nuclear weapon...
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    I also find it hilarious you believe Iran is somehow rationale, and wouldn't ever use a nuclear weapon...
    There is way more evidence to suggest that America would be the first to use a nuclear weapon.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    There is way more evidence to suggest that America would be the first to use a nuclear weapon.
    Yes, and this is based on....

    Oh nothing. Nice thought though.

    Iran, terrorist sponsors... calls for the destruction of Israel and the USA... pushing a Nuclear Program and refuses to stop... but hey, the REAL threat is the USA!
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm. What did I say?
    There are those here that will -never- comdemn Iran for building a bomb.

    These people fall into two groups:
    Those that believe the US is the cause of most problems in the world;
    Those that look forward to the destruction of Israel.
    I don't care if Iran gets a bomb. How about US keeps an eye on the real dangerous country? Pakistan ... the same country which did a deal with Taliban.
    If i had to choose between Taliban getting hold of Nukes and Iran, i'd be shoving my entire stock into Ahmadinejad's hands.

    And you're right, i do think some problems in this world can be attributed in some way to US actions abroad. I do not want a situation where US alone can dictate which countries can get weapons or not. Why the hell shouldn't Middle Eastern countries get Nukes if it's done in a legal way?

    Is US willing to lead by example and destroy all of it's arsenal? - I don't think so.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes, and this is based on....

    Oh nothing. Nice thought though.

    Iran, terrorist sponsors... calls for the destruction of Israel and the USA... pushing a Nuclear Program and refuses to stop... but hey, the REAL threat is the USA!
    Based on the fact that America's the only country in the history of civilization to use an atomic weapon, and not just one, but two......
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Based on the fact that America's the only country in the history of civilization to use an atomic weapon, and not just one, but two......
    I suppose Germany is likely to invade France again. And Japan will attack Pearl Harbor again. And Russia will have a Czar again. I mean based on the fact these nations did these things before it MUST mean they are more likely to happen again.

    OR: There's more to it than that. Am I right?
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I suppose Germany is likely to invade France again. And Japan will attack Pearl Harbor again. And Russia will have a Czar again. I mean based on the fact these nations did these things before it MUST mean they are more likely to happen again.

    OR: There's more to it than that. Am I right?
    I never said that *I* believed America will nuke (infact, I have made it apparent that *I* believe that nobody is going to nuke anybody). I just say that base on straight up historical statistics on atomic weaponry, America is the only one with a history of using it.

    FFS.
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