If we invaded and the Japanese still refused surrender the casualties were projected to be astronomical. Moreover, the dropping of the bombs did not guarantee that they would surrender either. We were fully prepared to begin a land invasion and produce further weapons if necessary.
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Nagasaki during World War II
Urakami Tenshudo (Catholic Church in Nagasaki) in January 1946, destroyed by the atomic bomb, the dome of the church having toppled off.
The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials."
You obviously abhor the United States and wish to see it fail.I think I've heard enough. You obviously do not contemplate the consequences of your actions.
Contracts are agreements between two parties.
Terrorists don't rank as high as animals.
I've never hear much from the PETB crowd, the People for the Ethical Treatment of Bacteria. When that gang gets concerned about the fate of terrorists, they might finally find some sympathy.
You don't like those consequences.
We diplomatically demanded the Japanese surrender.
The Japanese diplomatically dithered past the deadline.
Their tough luck. Diplomacy is absolutely useless if it manages to convince the other side you're weak, irresolute, and easily manipulated.
Diplomacy is the process of telling the other party what you want, what your position is to get that, if force is an option. Our position using unlimited squadrons of B-29's was unassailable by the Japanese, and their position was untenable. They refused to beleive the latter. We had no obligation to inform them of our ace in the hole, and we were under no obligation to sustain their dithering and back dealing.
WE demanded their surrender.
THEY refused it.
Why is it you people can't understand the simplest basics of life?
Nagasaki informed the Japanese that we were implacable and armed as no nation had ever been armed before, and we were seriously pissed at them.
It's military purpose was informative.
It was not genocidal, since it failed to kill 10% of the Japanese population.
You don't have values, that's your problem.
That purpose succeeded.
They even call it "terrorism", as if their phony moral equivalencies have any meaning after they've proven their inability to comprehend the basic exigencies of that war.
They're only concern is to demonstrate, forever and always, that the United States is never on the right side of any issue.
Look at this guy. He claims, after the immediate US experience with Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Okinanawa, the Phillipines, the Solomons, and the rest, after the grueling naval battles, their KAMIKAZE attacks!, and after the horrific treatments we discovered the Japanese were handing to their captive populations, that we wouldn't need to invade their home island...even though we'd been demanding their surrender and freely bombing their cities for months on end, that we wouldn't need to physically invade their home islands and shove our demands for their surrender up their little brown asses on a bayonet.
You tell it to the GI's in Europe who won the Battle of the Bulge, who stormed the beaches of Normandy marched the length of Italy and who, after the German surrender in May, 1945 weren't looking forward to going home, but who knew they were going to be re-mobilized to the invasion effort of the Japanese home islands.
Some flake generals were maybe discussing that they wouldn't have to invade.....planning for that invasion was commencing apace....and preparations for the defense of that invasion was in process also, on the enemy's side of the beach fronts.
A Little Boy and a Fat Man saved millions of American lives, and millions of Japanese lives, and that's all there is to that story. The Japanese did not surrender until after the bombs were dropped.
Those bombs were what gave the little boy emperor the gumption to finally stand up to his cabinet after allowing them to drag his nation into war in the first place so long ago.
Emperor Hirohito, Accepting the Potsdam Declaration, Radio Broadcast. To our good and loyal subjects: After pondering deeply the general trends of the world and the actual conditions obtaining in our empire today, we have decided to effect a settlement of the present situation by resorting to an extraordinary measure.
We have ordered our Government to communicate to the Governments of the United States, Great Britain, China and the Soviet Union that our empire accepts the provisions of their joint declaration.
To strive for the common prosperity and happiness of all nations as well as the security and well-being of our subjects is the solemn obligation which has been handed down by our imperial ancestors and which we lay close to the heart.
Indeed, we declared war on America and Britain out of our sincere desire to insure Japan's self-preservation and the stabilization of East Asia, it being far from our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandizement.
But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone--the gallant fighting of our military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of out servants of the State and the devoted service of our 100,000,000 people--the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest.
Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.
Such being the case, how are we to save the millions of our subjects, nor to atone ourselves before the hallowed spirits of our imperial ancestors? This is the reason why we have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the joint declaration of the powers.
We cannot but express the deepest sense of regret to our allied nations of East Asia, who have consistently cooperated with the Empire toward the emancipation of East Asia.
The thought of those officers and men as well as others who have fallen in the fields of battle, those who died at their posts of duty, or those who met death [otherwise] and all their bereaved families, pains our heart night and day.
The welfare of the wounded and the war sufferers and of those who lost their homes and livelihood is the object of our profound solicitude. The hardships and sufferings to which our nation is to be subjected hereafter will be certainly great.
We are keenly aware of the inmost feelings of all of you, our subjects. However, it is according to the dictates of time and fate that we have resolved to pave the way for a grand peace for all the generations to come by enduring the [unavoidable] and suffering what is unsufferable. Having been able to save *** and maintain the structure of the Imperial State, we are always with you, our good and loyal subjects, relying upon your sincerity and integrity.
Beware most strictly of any outbursts of emotion that may engender needless complications, of any fraternal contention and strife that may create confusion, lead you astray and cause you to lose the confidence of the world.
Let the entire nation continue as one family from generation to generation, ever firm in its faith of the imperishableness of its divine land, and mindful of its heavy burden of responsibilities, and the long road before it. Unite your total strength to be devoted to the construction for the future. Cultivate the ways of rectitude, nobility of spirit, and work with resolution so that you may enhance the innate glory of the Imperial State and keep pace with the progress of the world.
It is funny how the world is. Iran is BADDDD for doing what it is doing, where as Brazil, who is doing exactly the same thing, who is an ally of Hugo Chavez, is almost not mentioned... wonder why.
Also, saying unconditional surrender is 'fair and equitable' is, once again, completely subjective. Terms to surrender, which is a negotiated surrendering, are 'fair and equitable'.
Another thing. You were wrong about them refusing to surrender after the bombings on Hiroshima. You think anyone is going to believe a handful of reports that an entire city was demolished in a matter of seconds? On top of that, Hiroshima was the only city in which they did not give a warning to the citizens prior to dropping the A-bomb. Every other city had warnings, except Hiroshima.
Not only that, the purposeful destruction of non-combatants during war has ALWAYS been against the Laws & Customs of War (The Avalon Prject - Laws of War : Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907).
Nagasaki was warned. Hell, there were japs in Nagasaki who'd seen the little sun glowing over Hiroshima and lived to tell abou it...for a little while.
Since it's indisputable that those two attacks saved millions of lives, what's your problem?