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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    You can't seriously sit there and tell me that they didn't know what happened if they did this to a city. There is no way of twisting the fact that hundreds of thousands were guaranteed to die, no matter how you spin it.
    Truman's responsibility was to ensure the dead people weren't wearing US uniforms. He could either send our troops into battle naked, or attack the enemy.

    He chose the correct action.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Truman's responsibility was to ensure the dead people weren't wearing US uniforms. He could either send our troops into battle naked, or attack the enemy.
    Yes, we all already know that you have nothing but contempt for anyone not living inside an arbitrary geographically-designated area with which you feel a quasi-religious affinity.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Ad-homs are a poor strategy in debate.
    I know. They should stop using them.

    I play games with 'em after I've won the debate, as in this case.

    I'm pretty easy about that sort of thing.

    As you'll notice, people are now being called bigots because they firmly believe that their country should make sure their enemies die instead of their own soldiers and sailors.

    Well, if they really feel I'm a bigot for remembering the men on the USS Arizona, fine. I went to school on Ford Island for six weeks, and rode the whaleboat past that memorial every day. My sympathies for the victims of that war stop on our shores, we didn't start that war. We, by God, ended it, with as little American loss of life as we could manage.

    That's my duty as an American, and I'm not going to apologize when the last respectable Democrat president did his job correctly.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Yes, we all already know that you have nothing but contempt for anyone not living inside an arbitrary geographically-designated area with which you feel a quasi-religious affinity.
    You seem to know lots of things that aren't so.

    Add that one to your list.

    I have boatloads of respect for the Japanese. A very impressive people, albeit slightly prone to bigotry and obedience. But they're friendly, they have good food, and the females are pretty hot in the sack. If they'd stuck to those virtues and left Total Global Conquest to the Germans, they'd have avoided the whole Hiroshima problem, no sweat.

    But they decided to pick a fight with the baddest boy on the planet....and put up a damn good fight, too, I must add...and in the end we had to hit them in the head with a rock, twice, to make them stop.

    Better them than us.

    You got a problem with that?

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I know. They should stop using them.

    I play games with 'em after I've won the debate, as in this case.

    I'm pretty easy about that sort of thing.

    As you'll notice, people are now being called bigots because they firmly believe that their country should make sure their enemies die instead of their own soldiers and sailors.

    Well, if they really feel I'm a bigot for remembering the men on the USS Arizona, fine. I went to school on Ford Island for six weeks, and rode the whaleboat past that memorial every day. My sympathies for the victims of that war stop on our shores, we didn't start that war. We, by God, ended it, with as little American loss of life as we could manage.

    That's my duty as an American, and I'm not going to apologize when the last respectable Democrat president did his job correctly.
    So why are there Geneva conventions? Wouldn't it be easier to just kill and torture the enemy so that your own country doesn't have to feed them and so that your country can gain valuable info to ensure less of its people die?
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    I play games with 'em after I've won the debate, as in this case.
    What debate did you win? I asserted that surrender was a viable option that the Allies could have explored but did not choose to do so, and have backed this up extensively with supporting evidence. All I've heard in return is nitpicking and "so what?". You clearly have nothing to argue any further, as evidenced by your recent posts.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So why are there Geneva conventions?
    Good question.

    Japan wasn't a signatory to those conventions.

    Therefore we were not constrained by them.

    Germany signed them.

    Then again, Malmedy was in France, so Germany was exempted...? Or was the argument that Treblinka was in Poland, therefore Germany was exempted...?

    Whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Wouldn't it be easier to just kill and torture the enemy so that your own country doesn't have to feed them and so that your country can gain valuable info to ensure less of its people die?
    Could be.

    Since terrorists aren't members of any nation's official military, there's nothing objectionable about torturing them. The GC doesn't apply to them.

    The GC only applies to human beings.

    And if Iran uses it's nuclear weapons, we should exterminate them like we'd exterminate a termite infested crackhouse in a valuable historical district...by complete demolition and removal.

    There. You people have lost the Hiroshima Argument, as you people always do, and the thread is now back on topic.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What debate did you win?
    The one you lost.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    In total war where your enemy refuses to surrender then a scorched earth policy is a legitimate and acceptable strategy.
    What cynical rationale. When you preach diplomacy, you're expected to use it when available, especially when it can save life.
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    The result was far better than the worst case and anticipated scenario.
    Completely subjective.
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    source?
    Hirohito - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Nagasaki and Hiroshima were both military targets of great value despite their populations.
    Nagasaki served no military purpose. It was genocidal.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The legitimate reason is that the bombs saved at least one American life.

    Anything more is the powdered sugar on the cherries on the icing on the cake.
    Actually, 13 Allied POWs died as a result from the blast.

    Saving one American life is not a legitimate reason. It is merely a reason, an excuse. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It wasn't Truman's job to save Japanese lives. His duty was to the mothers and fathers of the servicemen, and to those servicemen himself, to bring as many of those men home alive and uninjurred as possible.

    He did his job correctly.

    He did the right thing.
    If the purpose of the atomic bomb was to convince Japan to surrender unconditionally, then no, he failed at doing his job. There was no unconditional surrender, nor did the deaths of thousands of people at Nagasaki serve any military objective.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    He saved at least one AMERICAN mother the grief of burying her son who died in an unnecessary invasion of Japan.

    One American.

    That's all that mattered.

    That unnamed man was worth the lives of all the Japanese in Japan.
    I already proved earlier that an invasion of Japan was unnecessary to get Japan to surrender, according to the American and Allied commanders actively engaged in that region. An effective naval blockade and superior air support would have forced Japan to agree to terms of surrender without the need for an invasion of Japan.

    So many Americans have this misinformed education that the atomic bombings weren't immoral in nature and were quite possibly the greatest form of state terrorism ever witnessed.

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