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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I bolded this part. For emphasis. Who determines these "circumstances", the U.S.? Gimme a break.
    The team that started the war, for one.

    Japan started in a dishonorable fashion, continued dishonorably, and had no grounds for complaint when we honorably nuked their asses to end the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The fact is you are for killing civilians as long as it approves YOUR agenda, but then you say others are not allowed to have the same agenda.
    Other NATIONS may have that as a legimate agenda. Other NATIONS can be eradicated in less than an hour.

    You're confusing the criminal groups you approve of, like al qaeda, to a legitimate nation state. And no, criminal groups do not have the legal authority to commit mass murder.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Surrender was on the table; there was no need for either nuking Hiroshima/Nagasaki or for any such invasion.
    The japs had a deadline. The japs failed to meet the deadline. Tough **** for them. By any standard they had already lost the war. Their navy was sunk, their air force was reduced to suicide missions, their armies were hollow, their industries were non-existent. The enemy had total control of their skies, and were massing to invade their shores, and they were reduced to using women, old men, and children to repel the enemy.

    They lacked the courage to surrender honorably when given the chance. We killed the fewest people by nuking them, and saved the lives of our own men in the process. It was the right thing to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The Potsdam Declaration was initially rejected on the grounds that it was unconditional, but this did not mean that the Japanese were not willing to discuss the terms of surrender; it meant that the allies (particularly the US) were not interested in pursuing that as an option.
    They had their chance. They didn't take it. We were under no obligation to tell them about Fat Man and Little Boy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    In fact, Japan was in discussions with the USSR about possible conditions of surrender,
    Russia hadn't kicked their asses all they way across the Pacific and Russia wasn't the nation they needed to talk to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    and Tōgō even openly expressed a willful desire to surrender by the emperor, but just that they could not accept surrender unconditionally. In the end, the only condition that they required in order to accept the Potsdam Declaration was retaining the emperor.
    Yeah, funny how that came out after their emperor surrendered.

    To us, not the Russians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The main fault for the gap in intelligence is due to failures on the part of the NSA to pass information they had on to other groups (the CIA and FBI). This failure prevented them from being able to "connect the dots".
    Ah, the Gorelick Memo, a little gem from the Clinton Gang that stopped the evil CIA from talking to the baby-barbequers in the FBI.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Your contempt for innocent civilians is pretty disgusting.
    Your ignorance of the meaning of the word "innocent" is expected.

    What's the alternative, guilty civillians?

    In times of real war "guilt" and "innocence" aren't matters of military importance.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Are you against deliberate targeting of civilian services?

    Because that's what we did against Milosevic. We bombed Serbia back to the stone age by destroying bridges, water, communications, electricity, power plants, transformers, many things a society views as necessary to living a civilized life.
    Clinton did all that, so it's a-okay with those guys.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    "Stateless militia" - a fancy term for "criminals".
    Whoa. You just called groups like Executive Outcomes, Blackwater, Triple Canopy and other PMS criminals.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Whoa. You just called groups like Executive Outcomes, Blackwater, Triple Canopy and other PMS criminals.
    If they're committing crimes, they are.

    Do you have some vested interest in preserving the image of those groups?

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If they're committing crimes, they are.

    Do you have some vested interest in preserving the image of those groups?
    Not for the Blackwater. EO and TC however do the job professionally and competently. I see no reason to get rid of them.
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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Hmmm, me thinks you don't understand( or purposely downplay) how divided the Japanese leaders were about surrender.
    I think you're making an ASSumption.

    A coup against the emperor was attempted to ensure surrender was not an option.
    So what?

    And remember it didn't take 1 bomb, it took two.
    What did, surrender? As I've already stated, it could have been done with zero, if the Japanese were actually negotiated with. Their one singular demand wasn't really that outrageous.

    I was under the impression that when you are winning you dictate your terms to the enemy, not the other way around. Perhaps you are confused on the goals of the US during WW2?
    Does this in any way justify the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?

    Of course not, no matter how much you want it to.

    yes, yes. The leaders had talks about surrender. Whoop-de-****in-do. Talk is cheap.
    Yeah, the mass murder of civilians, whoop-de-****in-do.

    The team that started the war, for one.

    Japan started in a dishonorable fashion, continued dishonorably, and had no grounds for complaint when we honorably nuked their asses to end the war.
    Yet another pitiful attempt to justify mass murder.

    The japs had a deadline. The japs failed to meet the deadline. Tough **** for them. By any standard they had already lost the war. Their navy was sunk, their air force was reduced to suicide missions, their armies were hollow, their industries were non-existent. The enemy had total control of their skies, and were massing to invade their shores, and they were reduced to using women, old men, and children to repel the enemy.

    They lacked the courage to surrender honorably when given the chance. We killed the fewest people by nuking them, and saved the lives of our own men in the process. It was the right thing to do.
    This is probably the most hypocritical thing I've read on here.

    "They were weak, and we offered surrender to them, but they rejected and in order to prevent millions of deaths due to invading such a weak enemy (????) we just nuked them instead."

    That makes absolutely no sense. You've discredited yourself.

    It's quite clear here that your interests lie not with any notion of freedom but rather with US economic and political interests. You would give yourself much more credibility by admitting that much.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They lacked the courage to surrender honorably when given the chance.
    Amusing sentence. Surrender is never honorable in that culture.

    How do you start a war in a dishonorable fashion?
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Amusing sentence. Surrender is never honorable in that culture.
    Tough for them, wasn't it?

    Our culture has a different definition of honor, and we're the one that mattered.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How do you start a war in a dishonorable fashion?
    You figure it out, I'm not paid to teach kindergarten.

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    Re: Iran passes redline, has enough U235 for Bomb

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And no, criminal groups do not have the legal authority to commit mass murder.
    But the U.S. does have the legal authority to commit mass murder? That's sick.

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