• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Students Question Obama's Plan

zimmer

Educating the Ignorant
Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
24,380
Reaction score
7,805
Location
Worldwide
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/135656
DRUDGE REPORT: STUDENTS QUESTION OBAMA'S PLAN 2009®
EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE
Tim Hacker

"If businesses can't afford to hire people, then people won't be able to work and pay off their mortgages," he said. "It's kind of like putting money into20a funnel." Albach, who is also a Republican, said Obama's plan sounds good but questioned how Obama can want to rely on "people's responsibility" when that is "what got us in this economic crisis in the first place."

"This puts us more into debt," said Albach, 18. "It's a horrible situation we're in."

Senior Brandon Miller wore a shirt with the words, "Hitler gave great speeches, too" above a picture of Obama.

Miller said he had been an Obama supporter "because of his speeches," but after debating the issues in this class and looking more into Obama's policies, his vote was swayed toward McCain.

Whoops!
I think he expected a bunch of soft targets.

Too bad they didn't get to ask questions.
They surely would have been harder hitting than The Lapdog Patrol that slobberingly follows Obama from town to town.
 
Is this the new Joe the Plumber?
 
Are these kids giving out any good investment tips?
 
Quote
(
Quote:
Originally Posted by President Barack Hussein Obama's Inaugural Address
Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America — they will be met.
If I don't got it, you don't got it, got it?

Aha but does Obama get it or merely say he gets it?
 
But you were okay with all the childish insults against Bush for the past 8 years right? :roll:

Pot calling the Kettle, come in Pot.

:shock: You didn't use the word "liberal" once in that post
 
Are these kids giving out any good investment tips?

You ever heard of the Shoe Shine boy story? John D. Rockerfeller. When High School kids who don't have a single real dollar to their name think they know more about the economy then the people running the country it's about time to pull out.
 
Dobson students question Obama's plan | Mesa Arizona News - Mesa News - Mesa AZ news | eastvalleytribune.com
DRUDGE REPORT: STUDENTS QUESTION OBAMA'S PLAN 2009®


Whoops!
I think he expected a bunch of soft targets.

Too bad they didn't get to ask questions.
They surely would have been harder hitting than The Lapdog Patrol that slobberingly follows Obama from town to town.

...Who?

I'm a student myself, and though I'm no Obama lover, I've yet to see any Republican come up with a better plan. The only sensible plans I've seen have come from centrists who get hate from both sides.
 
You ever heard of the Shoe Shine boy story? John D. Rockerfeller. When High School kids who don't have a single real dollar to their name think they know more about the economy then the people running the country it's about time to pull out.

Did you have these same beliefs when the Bush Administration ran the country? Yeah, I thought not. Do you even partially comprehend the irony and historical ignorance in many of your comments?

Yep folks, according to Hatuey here, High School students who criticized the Bush economics are now suddenly ignorant when they do the same with Obama’s. You just cannot illustrate willful denial better than this.
:rofl
 
...Who?

I'm a student myself, and though I'm no Obama lover, I've yet to see any Republican come up with a better plan. The only sensible plans I've seen have come from centrists who get hate from both sides.

Your false belief is that Government can and should do anything in the first place. But then, you are a student, I would not expect more of you at this time.

The better plan by Republicans would be that instead of creating a morass of costly Government Bureaucracies and legislation while spending our nation into more than two trillion in deficits and 13 trillion debts, the best way to get the economy back is responsible Fiscal management and allowing businesses and individuals to keep more of their hard earned money.

But of course you perhaps prescribe to the false theory that Government spending several trillion in money it doesn't have to spend on costly legislation and expanding Government Bureaucracies at the expense of future generations is a somehow a good idea?
 
Did you have these same beliefs when the Bush Administration ran the country? Yeah, I thought not. Do you even partially comprehend the irony and historical ignorance in many of your comments?

Yep folks, according to Hatuey here, High School students who criticized the Bush economics are now suddenly ignorant when they do the same with Obama’s. You just cannot illustrate willful denial better than this.
:rofl

Do you have proof that Hatuey posted something agreeing with or propping up High School students who critizied Bush's economic policies? If not, what are you basing this off of? An assumption.

And if you are then let I'm sure you won't mind me making the assumption that if this same thing happened to Bush you'd be whining about how its a bunch of high school kids that don't know **** about things trying to talk down to the President, a man far smarter and more knowledgable about issues than them, and that its obviously they were just brainwashed by the liberal looney left teacher of theirs.

What did they say about people in glass houses again?
 
Did you have these same beliefs when the Bush Administration ran the country? Yeah, I thought not. Do you even partially comprehend the irony and historical ignorance in many of your comments?

Yep folks, according to Hatuey here, High School students who criticized the Bush economics are now suddenly ignorant when they do the same with Obama’s.
You just cannot illustrate willful denial better than this.
:rofl

Well there you have it kids. Truth Detector not knowing that my position on this matter is consistent REGARDLESS of what High School kids say has decided to open his cheap suit wearing mouth. He could not not illustrate partisan stupidity and the effects of what sniffing tiger balm will do to a person's brain better.

I wouldn't care what a high school kid who's got no investments and is still living under his parent's house says. EVER. Doesn't even matter if his/her IQ is 260,000. If he is Republican, Liberal, Conservative or Democrat. I don't trust people who still get allowances to tell me what is wrong with the economy or discuss it like they actually have a clue.

Seriously, do you even know what a straw man is? I couldn't care less what high school kids criticizing the Bush economic policies say. And I care even less about the high school kids that criticize Obama say. But I'm waiting for you to find proof of ANYTHING you've claimed I've done. Starting with me supporting students who criticized Bush's economics.

Now. I hope you like the taste of Nike rubber in your mouth. Or at the very least the feeling of how stupid you've made yourself look. But I expect you to disappear like you usually do.
 
Last edited:
Notice how they all say it was "cool" to have the President visit their school. I think this shows the teenagers quoted here to have a lot more maturity than a lot of the posters on this board.
 
Notice how they all say it was "cool" to have the President visit their school. I think this shows the teenagers quoted here to have a lot more maturity than a lot of the posters on this board.

.....well to be honest. Meeting people who've been on T.V. is pretty cool regardless of who they are.
 
Well there you have it kids. Truth Detector not knowing that my position on this matter is consistent REGARDLESS of what High School kids say has decided to open his cheap suit wearing mouth. He could not not illustrate partisan stupidity and the effects of what sniffing tiger balm will do to a person's brain better.

I wouldn't care what a high school kid who's got no investments and is still living under his parent's house says. EVER. Doesn't even matter if his/her IQ is 260,000. If he is Republican, Liberal, Conservative or Democrat. I don't trust people who still get allowances to tell me what is wrong with the economy or discuss it like they actually have a clue.

Seriously, do you even know what a straw man is? I couldn't care less what high school kids criticizing the Bush economic policies say. And I care even less about the high school kids that criticize Obama say. But I'm waiting for you to find proof of ANYTHING you've claimed I've done. Starting with me supporting students who criticized Bush's economics.

Now. I hope you like the taste of Nike rubber in your mouth. Or at the very least the feeling of how stupid you've made yourself look. But I expect you to disappear like you usually do.

Nice incoherent rant. What a fascinating attempt to avoid your original idiotic assertion. Let's examine it again:

QUOTE=Hatuey; You ever heard of the Shoe Shine boy story? John D. Rockerfeller. When High School kids who don't have a single real dollar to their name think they know more about the economy then the people running the country it's about time to pull out.

What a specious argument to make; so what you are attempting to suggest is that the young people being educated in our school systems must not know what they are talking about for simple fact that they are in high school and haven’t lived on their own or earned a dime.

So tell me, what part of what these students were saying was wrong Hatuey? Or is your point just your typical attack the messenger in order to avoid their argument because you can’t make a coherent rebuttal if it were handed to you?

The people running the country right now have the economic and intellectual capacity of a lemming and you want to argue that these High School students have less? What a pile of incoherent bile.

That Nike rubber you are talking about above must be what fills that obvious vacuum between you ears.
 
Do you have proof that Hatuey posted something agreeing with or propping up High School students who critizied Bush's economic policies? If not, what are you basing this off of? An assumption.

And if you are then let I'm sure you won't mind me making the assumption that if this same thing happened to Bush you'd be whining about how its a bunch of high school kids that don't know **** about things trying to talk down to the President, a man far smarter and more knowledgable about issues than them, and that its obviously they were just brainwashed by the liberal looney left teacher of theirs.

Was there a point to this or was it just another of your weak baseless personal attacks on me?

But for giggles, let's examine your inane logic; Hatuey's comments are okay but mine aren't because I MAY have done the same thing had the students done it to Bush.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Do you have any proof that I would have made these comments?

See how easy it is to avoid the premise of my arguments? You can just make up your own assumptions to defend the stupid remarks made by someone who seldom has a coherent argument but would rather attack the messenger.

Carry on; I look forward to more of your desperate attempts to play Mr. Moderate middle of the roader and defender of the incoherent arguments others make.

What did they say about people in glass houses again?

This comment stinks of irony based on your comments, however, is typical of some of your incoherent attempts at moderation.
 
Actually, his original assertion isn't off base.

I don't expect High School kids on average to know more about physics than a physicist.

I don't expect High School kids on average to know more about the innerworkings of Shakespere's lesser known works than a English Lit professor at Yale.

I don't expect High School kids on average to know more about advanced statistics than a statistician.

I don't expect High School kids on average to know more about the genetic makeup of a sub species of dogs than a geneticist.

And in general, I would not expect High School kids on average to know more about Public Policy than a high level politician.

Does that mean they're stupid? No. Does that mean the education is bad? No. Does it mean that there are not some special ones that may be very gifted in a subject? Not at all. Does it mean everything they say is wrong? No.

But its not an absurd notion to think that someone with decades of experience and education in a particular expertise is likely far more informed and learned about that area of expertise than a high school kid.

But naturally what it comes down to is that those in power now have an economic plan and view differing from yours so they = idiots. Well, GREAT logic there. The type of wonderful logic that I'd expect out of most illogical hyperpartisans.
 
Nice incoherent rant. What a fascinating attempt to avoid your original idiotic assertion. Let's examine it again:

Hatuey; You ever heard of the Shoe Shine boy story? John D. Rockerfeller. When High School kids who don't have a single real dollar to their name think they know more about the economy then the people running the country it's about time to pull out.[/I]​

What a specious argument to make; so what you are attempting to suggest is that the young people being educated in our school systems must not know what they are talking about for simple fact that they are in high school and haven’t lived on their own or earned a dime.

Yes. Wow. Good thing you've got it from the 3rd post. Tiger Balm's Anonymous does wonders doesn't it?

So tell me, what part of what these students were saying was wrong Hatuey?

All of it. Thanks for asking.

Or is your point just your typical attack the messenger in order to avoid their argument because you can’t make a coherent rebuttal if it were handed to you?

Attack the messenger? Who's messenger? Wait don't answer that. It's irrelevant. But thanks to referring them as messengers. Unable to come up with their own thoughts and even less able produce them in a coherent speech patter. They are repeating what they've been told to repeat. Messengers. Nothing more. Nothing less. That's exactly why I don't trust them on matters of the economy.

The people running the country right now have the economic and intellectual capacity of a lemming and you want to argue that these High School students have less? What a pile of incoherent bile.

Wow this little bit of OPINION is very intereting. Which is why High School kids don't run the country and never have. And the people who run the country today and for the last oh 200 years have been well adults. George Bush's administration? Adults? Clinton's? Adults. Jefferson's? Adults. When was the last time high school kids ran anything other then student bodies? Never. You know there is a reason these kids are in High School right?

That Nike rubber you are talking about above must be what fills that obvious vacuum between you ears.

Is this your reply? I know you are but what am I? I'm still waiting for you to show where I supported High School kids that criticized Bush but like the complete and utterly dishonest individual that you are you can't. I wonder why? It must be because in your attempt to ejaculate the same old nonsense you spew on a daily basis you simply created a straw man in your mind about what my opinion would be if these kids were talking about Bush.
 
let's examine your inane logic; Hatuey's comments are okay but mine aren't because I MAY have done the same thing had the students done it to Bush.

Hautey's comment is okay; I may disagree with it to some extent but its not a hypocritical statement.

You however complaining about Hautey based on an assumption that he's acting hypocritical, when if you apply the SAME KIND of assumption to you in this situation would also reveal hypocracy, is just kind of humerous.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Do you have any proof that I would have made these comments?

See how easy it is to avoid the premise of my arguments? You can just make up your own assumptions to defend the stupid remarks made by someone who seldom has a coherent argument but would rather attack the messenger.

No, I don't! My god, I think you see my point.

I have no more proof that you would say those comments I stated than YOU have that Hautey would say the things YOU stated he would have.

Thus the comparison and analogy.

The only proof i have is anecdotal based off your long term posting here and your general statements. Which is EXACTLY the same amount of evidence you have for your claim against Hautey.

That's exactly the point I was making. You avoided the premise of his statement, made up your own assumptions to defend to give a basis for your stupid attack against someone you disliked. And you did this, ignoring the fact that if the same standard was applied to you it would show you to be as hypocritical as you were presenting him to be in your example.

Thanks for understanding.

(oh, and just a bit of help incase you're having trouble reading the thing next to my name. I'm not a moderate, and don't claim to be one.)
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom